Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/School of Slavonic and East European Studies A.F.C.


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The result was   delete. Non-notable - as nearly every university team in the UK would be. Black Kite 19:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

School of Slavonic and East European Studies A.F.C.

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Non-notable amateur football team - plays outside national pyramid in intra-university competitions. Dancarney (talk) 11:04, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * University of London Union organised leagues contain around 100 football teams (all of which associated with the amateur football alliance and their respective institutions), with over a thousand people involved in matches that take place twice a week. As these are student teams they should not be part of the national pyramid as this has caused problems for example when team Bath competed in the lower devisions. SSEES has existed for 94 years and has had a football team for many of those years. I would suggest the article should be improved, but it is merely a subjective opinion of Dancarney that the club is not important because it is not involved in the national pyramid. The article does need to be improved and needs to be given the chance to be improved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malanbo (talk • contribs) 11:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)  — Malanbo (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Dancarney (talk) 11:53, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, as the club doesn't compete at a notable level. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 11:54, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable team. GiantSnowman 12:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - although this may come as a surprise to college sports fans from the USA, university/college sport in the UK (other than the strange historical idiosyncracry of The Boat Race) is basically completely non-notable, not attracting paying customers or any significant coverage at all outside the university. Hell, I work at a university and our sports teams don't even get much coverage within tehe university -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the above reasons. (Although I would like to point out to Chris that there is a Uni team that has been notable - Team Bath F.C., who, IIRC, made the FA Cup First Round in 2002 (before being thumped by Mansfield). DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) | (talk to me) | (What I've done)  13:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, re-phrase to "inter-university sport is basically completely non-notable". Team Bath were an oddity as they did not compete in matches against other unis but played in a league with "regular" football clubs -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Teams that play in intra-university competitions are not notable. – PeeJay 16:34, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rather than delete the article perhaps it should be merged with the article on the School of Slavonic and East European studies. As your views on the notability of football clubs seems to be based more on money than to do with sport, students do come and watch ULU matches. Thousands of people play football and other sports in the ULU leagues every year and for that reason the clubs are notable as are amateur sports clubs. Your views are all entirely subjective opinions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.8.83 (talk) 21:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - University teams aren't notable. Probably not even worth mentioning on the main School of Slavonic and East European Studies page Spiderone  08:08, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Why aren't they notable though? Back up your opinions. It's ridiculous to say that the team is not even worth mentioning on the main SSEES website and shows blatant bias. There are more than 50 students involved in SSEES AFC on a weekly basis. Why should you be able to decide what information is available to people on Wikipedia? As long as articles are written to the correct templates and standards, backing up the information they provide then surely the more information on wikipedia the better. Or is that no longer an aim here?


 * What does it matter if the team is "notable" or not? Surely the team is notable to those who participate in it and play against it. And besides, who are you people to try and dictate to other people what is "worthy" of publication? Surely SSEES AFC is relevant to those who include it in THEIR sporting framework, and that is enough for it to merit an entrance on Wikipedia. It's not like it is an offensive article advocating racism or some other ill. It is harmless and should be retained.
 * They must be notable otherwise Wikipedia will just become a collection of articles on pub teams and amateur footballers. If you can prove that this article passes WP:GNG by adding independent, reliable sources to it then it can pass regardless of any other rules. Spiderone  16:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * There is a clear difference between a pub team and a club associated with a respected acedemic institute for over 90 years. I agree that the article should be improved to meet the wikipedia standards and that should be what is being discussed here not the subjective views on notability. Also I don't see what is wrong about having information about amateur teams as long as the articles meet the standards and have enough referencing, then information about amatuer sports is still just as valid as about professional sports. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.205.108.50 (talk) 16:53, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree but this article doesn't have enough referencing to justify inclusion and that's why it's up for AfD. Spiderone  17:01, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Then it should be given more time for those editing it to improve the article in which case if it is not improved enough it should be deleted or reduced and merged with the main SSEES article. Which is fair enough as it's a question of quality not subjective opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.8.83 (talk) 23:58, 25 October 2009 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by  77.103.8.83 (talk • contribs)
 * Comment - Pretty much every reasonable sized academic department in any of the older British Universities will have a football team that goes back decades. However, they probably all play in intra-university competitions and are no more notable than an established pub or Sunday league team. Dancarney (talk) 13:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Due to its history as an independent institution and the specialist nature of the subjects taught there, SSEES isn't just like another university department, especially since it competes against other universities not other departments.  In any case ULU is an inter university league not an intra university league, writing about a departmental team that competed against other departments would certainly be less notable but if they could reference their article sufficiently and it met the wikipedia standards I would certainly not complain about a team that competed in an intra university league.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.8.83 (talk) 17:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. The fact that it was once an independant institution is irrelevant, as even they would not normally qualify for an article. Personally I don't care whether a team is professional or amateur (I'm in a minority though). But the question is whether sources independent of the league and university give it noteworthy coverage. And as far as I can tell, the answer is no. WFCforLife (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to School of Slavonic and East European Studies. The general rule of thumb for football team notability is having played in a national cup competition (such as the FA Vase). This team fails that criteria, and I can't find any evidence of notability elsewhere - Google hits for this team are pretty unremarkable. They may be worthy of a mention on the SSEES article, but not notable enough for one of its own. Bettia (talk) 09:26, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.