Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Schuyler Hayden


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There are two "keep" opinions by Johnbow2233, and the "keep" by is by a non-registered account. No substantial analysis of sources from the "keep" side, just assertions about the movie "Rat Fink".  Sandstein  21:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Schuyler Hayden

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Notability concerns. Appearing in a self-funded film doesn't meet WP:ENT. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 02:04, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
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He also was in other televisions shows and movies. That was just one he did himself. He was a lead in the movie Riot On Sunset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.159.64.253 (talk) 22:27, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Multiple notable roles are not shown.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:41, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes there are. He was in the movie Riot On Sunset Strip. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbow2233 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 10 March 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Starring role in Rat Fink, significant role in Riot on Sunset Strip, satisfies WP:NACTOR. --Michig (talk) 06:44, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TonyBallioni (talk) 15:16, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete does not pass WP:NACTOR; only starring role was in a non-notable work. SportingFlyer  talk  18:56, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep His starring role in Rat Fink and significant role in Riot on Sunset Strip meet WP:NACTOR requirements. Rat Fink was definitely notable. It was featured in tons of newspapers etc. and it premiered in movie theaters. Johnbow2233 (talk 11:56, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I do not believe the movie passes notability guidelines. The article Rat Fink is about something completely different which pre-dates the movie by two years and there's very little about the movie anywhere on the internet, even with an IMDB listing (which doesn't show notability.) His other role doesn't appear particularly significant. SportingFlyer  talk  20:13, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment There is no wikipedia article on the movie rat fink but there are lots of newspaper and magazine articles on the subject. The movie also had a billboard on sunset trip in Hollywood in the 1960s. It was featured in the LA times too. I believe the movie is notable and there deserves to be a wikipedia made in Schuyler Hayden's name. The movie also was just released in blueray by Retromedia Entertainment Group, Inc. after they found one of the last copies of the movie to exist. Rat Fink was also shot by Oscar winning cinematographer Vilmos Zsigmond.

Schuyler also had a significant role in the movie Riot On Sunset Strip and there are articles of that also. Johnbow2233 (talk 02:04, 11 March 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: some analysis on the sourcing for the importance of the film will help break any deadlock.
 * Keep Rat Fink has a lot of coverage including significant coverage of Hayden and should have an article Atlantic306 (talk) 18:25, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 05:14, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think it is something worthy to improve upon. I give a benefit of a doubt given things that should been considered notable because of the past may not been so apparent today.Acnetj (talk) 07:23, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. He died before doing enough to satisfy NACTOR. Even if Rat Fink (lost for 50 years, according to the Blu-Ray release) is (being very, very generous) considered a notable film, the same can't be said for his only other movie credit, the minor Riot on Sunset Strip (and a non-starring part). Clarityfiend (talk) 08:21, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Rat Fink was definitely a notable film that he starred in as well as Riot on Sunset Strip which he had a significant role in. There are a lot of articles found on google of newspapers / magazines talking about him and the movie Rat Fink and like I have said before there was even a billboard on Sunset Strip in Hollywood of Schuyler for the movie Rat Fink. That satisfies WP:NACTOR. He is also the Father of American Wrestler/Actress Ursula Hayden. There are five people including myself who have voiced their opinion on this matter and believe this page should exist. Johnbow2233 (talk 11:35, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * This is the second time you've voted. SportingFlyer  talk  02:05, 20 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment I'd still like to see a keep argument that's based on notability and not an extension of WP:ILIKEIT, as none of the keep votes have provided sources. Rat Fink does not have an article on this site. A Google Search shows the film is registered on imdb and a number of film directory sites. A book search shows his name appears in some books which talk primarily about Riot on the Sunset Strip, and a couple others talked about Rat Fink as well, saying it could "do the art theater rounds well if handled correctly," not exactly a good endorsement. Hayden's name appears in similar directories. I don't see significant coverage at all. SportingFlyer  talk  02:05, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - I believe that Rat Fink is a notable film and the starring actor Schuyler Hayden should have a Wiki page.  kaylaperryyy talk '' 09:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment note to closer: this vote was the contributor's third-ever contribution, and user Johnbow2233 has contributed nearly exclusively to this article and the article about the actor's daughter and may be SPAs. SportingFlyer  talk  14:24, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I first was fascinated with GLOW Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling and then wanted to know everything about the owner Ursula Hayden. Then I found out about her father and decided to make him a wikipedia page because no one had before.Johnbow2233  talk  09:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC)


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