Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sciences Po Law School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. WP:SKCRIT - no rationale for deletion. English Wikipedia doesn't care what French Wikipedia thinks is notable. The nomination was by a single-purpose account named after a rival school, and I doubt it was made in good faith - there's a history of POV editing regarding French universities. (non-admin closure) power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 03:39, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Sciences Po Law School

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Notability, Decided so in French WP: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:%C3%89cole_de_droit_de_Sciences_Po/Suppression LLMSorbonne (talk) 15:14, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Keep - Deletion is not justified, especially not on notability grounds. The Notability Guidelines state that "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." A simple Google search of the terms "Ecole de droit de Sciences Po" reveals a host of articles concerning SPLS in many independent publications (higher education guides, well-regarded newspapers, YouTube videos created by people independent of SPLS and aimed at prospective students, professional websites used by lawyers...). The creation of SPLS has even given rise to scholarly articles/debates.

A few examples include:

- https://www.liberation.fr/societe/2010/04/01/le-mercato-des-profs-de-droit_618446 — Preceding unsigned comment added by LawStudentJam (talk • contribs) 18:08, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

- https://www.lemondedudroit.fr/270-on-en-parle/62585-11eme-bourse-excellence-clifford-chance-ecole-droit-sciencespo.html

- http://www.mondedesgrandesecoles.fr/sciences-po-initie-premier-cursus-integre-droit-finance/

- https://www.letudiant.fr/educpros/enquetes/sciences-po-versus-assas-la-competition-ne-fait-que-commencer/paris-2-et-iep-paris-des-strategies-de-developpement-inverses.html

- https://www.cairn.info/revue-droit-et-societe1-2013-1-page-99.htm

- https://www.amazon.fr/cuisine-droit-Lécole-droit-Science/dp/2359710613

- https://www.amazon.com/Reinventing-Legal-Education-Clinical-Reforming/dp/1107163048 (many mentions of SPLS in this book) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LawStudentJam (talk • contribs) 18:10, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

- https://www.cairn.info/revue-interdisciplinaire-d-etudes-juridiques-2014-1-page-99.htm

- https://laviedesidees.fr/Le-droit-sans-l-universite.html

- https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2007/04/21/l-universite-defend-son-monopole-dans-la-formation-des-futurs-avocats_899614_3224.html

- https://www.village-justice.com/articles/Ecole-Droit-Sciences-Po,6774.html

The existence of a SPLS page cannot be contested on notability grounds.

It is true that the French page was proposed for deletion a few years ago. However, this decision concerned a page written entirely in French, and was made before several reforms aiming at granting increased independence to Sciences Po's graduate schools were implemented (see http://www.mondedesgrandesecoles.fr/frederic-mion-projette-sciences-po-a-lhorizon-2022/). The rationale offered for the deletion of the French WP page does not apply to the English page and, in any event, is much weaker in 2019.

While the French speaking public is likely to know about SPLS and the French higher education system in general, or have access to the relevant information online, such is not the case for the English speaking readership. A SPLS Wikipedia page with objective, independent and up to date information on this topic is therefore valuable. This is all the more true considering that in recent years, SPLS has enjoyed a larger appeal outside of France, leading many non French speakers to seek information on this institution.

It should also be noted that Wikipedia pages concerning a particular university's college, medical school, business school or law school are uncontroversial and seen as valuable to the public. The question is therefore whether SPLS - and indeed other Sciences Po graduate schools - enjoys a sufficient degree of independence from Sciences Po to justify a stand alone page. While this might have justified denying a stand-alone SPLS page a few years ago, this rationale is no longer valid. Sciences Po is engaged in a process of granting more and more independence to, on the one hand, its college and on the other hand, each of its graduate schools. SPLS (just like the Paris School of International Affairs) has become an important and independent part of Sciences Po. It delivers in its own name Honoris Causa degrees and attracts a large number of international students. It has its own faculty, student body and administration/governance. SPLS can therefore be considered as a stand alone part of Sciences Po, which justifies the creation of a stand alone page.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by LawStudentJam (talk • contribs) 18:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Can't see any real rationale for deletion. We are not bound by decisions made in other Wikipedias that may have different standards of notability. Appears to be a very notable law school in France. It's true that we don't keep articles on schools, faculties and departments of larger institutions unless they're very notable in their own right, but it would appear that this one is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:46, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. I tried to read the French AFD page for this, and as best as I can tell using Google Translate as my guide, it seems like the final result was merger with another article. There was very little rationale given in the French AFD and it looks more like a straight vote than consensus building and discussion. It was also far from a landslide decision. So I don't think we should give a great deal of weight to that outcome. That being said, it does appear that this institution is notable, as far as I can determine. Cosmic Sans (talk) 19:10, 15 February 2019 (UTC)


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