Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scoil Lorcáin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Monkstown, County Dublin. (non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 11:05, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Scoil Lorcáin

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NN primary school. We don't generally provide stand-alone articles for such schools, absent a level of coverage not present here. Epeefleche (talk) 01:31, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Monkstown, County Dublin per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, as it is a primary school in that place with no indication or evidence to be found of notability. BethNaught (talk) 07:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per above. We can't have articles on every school and this one seems hardly notable. AndroidChuck31 (talk) 08:35, 11 July 2014 (UTC) Striking sock !vote  Ish  dar  ian  02:22, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete then redirect to Monkstown,_County_Dublin per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES--180.172.239.231 (talk) 09:24, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:11, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:12, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Monkstown,_County_Dublin per long-standing precedent as documented at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES - which  is simply  a review of the facts as they  are and neither a policy  nor  a guideline. Nevertheless, the 100s of redirects in  the 'R from School' cat are ample evidence alone of the way  the community  has generally  agreed to  treat  such  creations. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:36, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Question Where may I read the discussion that authorised wholesale deletion of primary schools while leaving secondary and tertiary schools intact? I wish to understand the reason, if any, for distinguishing between them, and treating them differently. It seems to be suggested that primary schools are automatically dismissed as non-notable while higher-level schools are not so automatically dismissed. Just as Wikipedia acts as a gazette of geographic features, so may it not act as a gazette of schools, whatever the level, as they are an established element of social geography? I request that an administrator desist from sweeping deletions of primary schools as proposed by editor Epeefleche until this difference of treatment of schools is clarified. Editor Kudpung's comment immediately above mine states that this action is "neither a policy nor a guideline", so sweeping deletion of articles on such a vague premise as "the community has generally agreed" to such action seems dubious to me. Let's press the Pause button, please, and discuss the broad assertion that primary schools are automatically less notable than other schools.  — O'Dea  (talk) 13:47, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Kudpung is one of the more seasoned !voters at schools AfDs adding (as is user:DGG). He may be able to provide you with further information.  In the meantime, he did already mention WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. You can find a number of discussions regarding the deletion of primary schools here. This has been a long-standing practice for years.  Discussed at length by many editors.  It is nothing new. Thus, there is no need to press the pause button. Of course, should you wish to renew a discussion, either at OUTCOMES or elsewhere, you should of course feel free to do so. But as you can see from these hundreds of AfDs, primary schools are not typically viewed as deserving of stand-alone wikipedia articles. Epeefleche (talk) 23:08, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Reply Even without WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES this primary school still fails WP:NSCHOOL.Indeed, we presume populated, legally-recognized places to be notable (as wikipedia's gazetteer function) because we can almost always find sufficient reliable secondary sources to write a full-length article about a ceratin legally-recognized place, regardless of its size. As you can see, Monkstown,_County_Dublin is a small town. Still we have written a full-length article about it. (Though the "History" section is uncited now, source like this book does exist.) However, almost all the primary schools being redirected in the recent afd debates lack sufficient reliable secondary sources to write a full-length article. Take Scoil Lorcáin as a exapmle. The only source listed in the article is the school's own website. Clearly if we can't find in-depth coverage in reliable secondary sources, this stub should be deleted.--180.172.239.231 (talk) 15:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, wikipedia is based on consensus and notability is not a level playing field.--180.172.239.231 (talk) 15:42, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * This reply does not address the question why primary schools are presumed less notable than higher level institutions. It also does not point to an actual consensus discussion that might be consulted for verification that there actually is such a consensus.


 * You say that this primary school fails WP:NSCHOOL, but that policy states, "All schools... must satisfy either this guideline or the general notability guideline, or both." But what does "this guideline" refer to? Where is that defined?


 * It is unclear exactly what point you wish to make by alluding to the unlevel playing field; a clarification would be helpful. — O'Dea  (talk) 18:47, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Monkstown,_County_Dublin per long-standing precedent stated at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  23:21, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.