Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scotland in the Eurovision Song Contest


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. Whether this deserves mention in United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest article is another issue. For the sake of convenience, I am going to also merge the meager amount of current content as a subsection to the UK article. No prejudice to re-creation should Scotland ever actually enter the contest.. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 02:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Scotland in the Eurovision Song Contest

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Article is about a rare possible entry into the Eurovision song contest therefore violates WP:CRYSTAL. There is no Broadcaster who has yet confirmed that they would like to enter for Scotland. Plus it has already been confirmed the the UK will be entering, therefore making it not possible for Scotland to enter as they would be able to vote for two countries. Ijanderson977 (talk) 13:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as the nominator per above Ijanderson977 (talk) 14:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete it's quite complicated, but even after editing it to remove the bias I think it still fails WP:CRYSTAL ninety:one 14:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Per WP:CRYSTAL. The article is entirely guesswork and speculation about an event that may never happen! --Cameron (T|C) 15:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment There was a consensus not to include Scotland on the Eurovision Song Contest 2009 article, see here. Ijanderson977 (talk)
 * Delete, still speculation, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. J I P  | Talk 17:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  19:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  19:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, but edit heavily. This issue has been brought up many times by Scottish politicians, for decades, but should perhaps include less speculation and more about the campaign.--MacRusgail (talk) 19:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete with Kosovo in the Eurovision Song Contest because it's speculation. Under current EBU rules only Council of Europe members can join + countries from North Africa and Middle East that fall into some UN broadcast area (and Kosovo and Scotland is not CoE or UN member).--Avala (talk) 20:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not strictly true... you can't really compare the two. The reason Scotland doesn't take part is because the BBC has the broadcast monopoly... different to joining the EBU, which basically anyone can do. But why am I saying this, I agree with you! Ignore...ninety:one 21:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I change my vote to Keep per this.


 * Comment User MacRusgail suggests we keep it but edit heavily. We can't edit it heavily because there is no more information to add as it is based about a future event therefore violates WP:Crystal. There are no more sources saying new things on the topic. As it is not going to go ahead. Ijanderson977 (talk) 14:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - it doesn't have to be about the future, as I've already said. Politicians, and not just the SNP, have been going on about this for at least 20/30 years. Therefore it is something ongoing, and has a history. --MacRusgail (talk) 18:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * a history of WP:CRYSTAL ninety:one 18:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Keep: I think that is a reliable source. Further, there are similar articles of countries that are not part of the EBU, why not this one and the other yes? Besides the issue was discussed in the scotish parliament, is not a rumor either. Goddess (talk) 00:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * An article is not a source. The other articles are either because they have a documented history, or because they stand a very real chance of entering because the EBU say they can (Kosovo). We can't have articles for every crackpot scheme discussed in parliaments or Wikipedia would be full ;) ninety:one 11:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

you seem to be more interested in judging the votes of the other users than the article itself —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.45.111.67 (talk) 18:21, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest - Some content about possible Scottish participation is already in there, until Scottish participation comes more likley it would be beneficial to merge this article with that one and redirect appropriately. Also a good compromise option. Camaron | Chris (talk) 15:51, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect as proposed by Camaron | Chris. There are lots of hypothetical Eurovision entrants and any Scottish entry would invariably impact on the UK entry making that article the best place to handle such schemes. This is most definitely not a comparable case to Kosovo. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect per above.  Chwe ch  17:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I sympathise for merging and redirecting as opposed to deleting. Ijanderson977 (talk) 23:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete because no sane country would want to be in the contest as it is now. I've watched the Contest since 1958 when there were only 6 countries -  very restful !!! And all in beautiful black and white.... Renata (talk) 21:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


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