Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Draves


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Scott Draves
The result was keep. per WP:SNOW non-admin close - Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  02:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


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The article raises notability concerns due to the irrelevant subject matter and is blatant self promotion, vanity and hawking of wares. There are violations of NPOV and COI since Scott Draves wrote the article about himself. Linking to his own websites draves.org  and scottdraves.com is gross abuse of Wikipedia.--Editor5435 (talk) 14:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "Linking to his own websites..." No, it is not gross abuse, nor is it reason to delete an article. If you think there's been a problem that hasn't already been resolved, report it at WT:WPSPAM. --Ronz (talk) 01:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How strange it is that you apply the opposite to other articles you involve yourself in. You recently trashed an entire article over an issue with a single link. I feel like restoring the link I voluntarily removed. If you delete I again I will make a complaint. You should be unbiased in your editing activities.--Editor5435 (talk) 23:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * keep My work and I have received plenty of press and blog coverage: Wired Magazine (May 2001), Discover (twice), The New Yorker (July 2004), Valleywag, BoingBoing, etc etc.  My artwork appears on the cover of Leonardo and is permanently hosted on MoMA.org.  Siggraph has chosen my artwork as the conference-wide graphic identity for 2008.  See my bio and resume which lists some of the important awards I've won, including from the Prix Ars Electronica and VIDA.  I would appreciate it if someone would add this evidence of notability to the page.  I did not write the article (although I have made some simple corrections).  Indeed, this deletion request is retribution by Editor5435 against me as a result of the edit war we've had over Fractal Compression.  This has resulted in Editor5435 being banned once so far... Spot (talk) 16:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Please help list the individual references in Talk:Scott_Draves so they can be reviewed by others for possible inclusion. --Ronz (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ronz, I made a list of about 20 good sources. If anyone is not convinced please let me know what you need to hear and maybe I can find it.  It would be great if the bio page could be expanded to include them, of course I can't do it. Spot (talk) 07:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * delete Shameless self promotion and vanity as indicated by the above comments. Users should not be posting or editing articles about themselves, in gross violation of Wikipedia's policies.--Editor5435 (talk) 16:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A conflict of interest by an editor is not reason to delete an article. --Ronz (talk) 17:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The article lacks notability, its irrelevant, there is no reason for it to exist in Wikipedia.--Editor5435 (talk) 17:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Scott_Draves, because we are quickly coming up with enough sources to show notability per WP:BIO. --Ronz (talk) 18:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Uhhhhhh, Editor5435, you don't get a vote. You nominated it for deletion.  OF COURSE you want it deleted.  So, without your vote, nobody else thinks it should be deleted.  I think that unless you can find somebody else you agrees with you, we should write this one off to sour grapes and resolve this to a speedy keep. RussNelson (talk) 04:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge to somewhere, I think. We have vastly more on this subject and his endeavours than would seem to be warranted by the limited depth and quality of coverage. Guy (Help!) 18:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep I heard of the guy totally independent from wikipedia. fractals right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by A plague of rainbows (talk • contribs) 20:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm always surprised to see a well-known person's page being nominated for deletion. Smacks of jealousy. RussNelson (talk) 04:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

- isabelwh
 * Keep It looks like Editor5435 has nominated the Draves entry for deletion in revenge for a previous event where his own entry was called into question by Draves. I've added references to the Draves article which back up the statements made.  The article does not appear to meet the criteria for being deleted due to lack of neutrality, since it doesn't take a point of view on Draves and only states referenceable facts.  The subject's notability should not in question due to web searches that find him covered on sites like O'Reilly, Siggraph, the Museum of Modern Art (MOMA), the Leonardo Journal of Art, The Harmony Channel, the Austin Museum of Digital Art - and that's only page one of a google search for "scott draves".

-kenny s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.172.80 (talk) 11:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep It seems quite obvious that the nomination to delete the Scott Draves entry is motivated by personal issues, not by Wikipedia standards. It seems equally obvious that, considering the favorable coverage he has received in respected publications and institutions, that Scott Draves is a notable artist and software developer in his field. Also, the entry is quite concise and well, rather small and reserved. All of that considered, I petition the court to dismiss that case. Hopefully very soon!


 * Keep It looks to me that the page is both in keeping with wikipedia standards and a useful contribution to the public good. - Bob J  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.230.230 (talk) 14:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Wow, I'm actually surprised that the article is so short and understated. Spot is quite well known in the SF artist scene & programmers community. Maybe I am biased as a fan of his work, but one of the things that I value in wikipedia is the ability to search on someone/something & find external links to more information should I be inclined to learn more. - Wanda K —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.28.10 (talk) 17:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Anyone who has seen Mr. Draves' work (and that's a LOT of people by now) knows that it's something unique and original. What is the motivation of Mr. Editor5435, I wonder?  Why no real name? - Christopher Schardt  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.90.116 (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.