Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Ellaway


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The result was no consensus. Lots of sources provided, no clear agreement amongst participants as to whether they are sufficiently in depth to demonstrate notability. Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Scott Ellaway

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Does not appear to meet WP:CREATIVE. No substantial review performances or recordings (The NYT article is a about a ballet performance for which he conducted 2 violins, not an orchestra )  DGG ( talk ) 13:54, 17 September 2016 (UTC) The Telegraph, February 23, 2009: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/geoffrey-norris/4786560/Orchestra-Europa-a-new-orchestra-with-a-refreshing-approach-review.html The Times, March 19, 2010: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/arts/music/classical/article2465986.ece The New York Times, January 22, 2014: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/23/arts/dance/balanchine-evening-ignites-city-ballet-winter-season.html?_r=0 RorySolow (talk) 09:42, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Performances that have been reviewed and cited in this article include The Times, Telegraph of London and The New York Times. Such broadsheets cover notable performers and performances. The ensembles and venues listed are some of the finest in the world who are known for working with notable performers. The New York Times article refers to "Concerto Barocco,” set to Bach’s great concerto for two violins. In addition to the two soloists, the concerto is scored for strings and basso continuo.


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Articles BBC Music Magazine, Scott Ellaway, February 2009: https://www.yumpu.com/it/document/view/9278136/rebecca-franks-bbc-music-magazine-scott-ellaway Ellaway to face the music, November 28, 2008: http://www.abergavennychronicle.com/article.cfm?id=419&headline=Ellaway%20to%20face%20the%20music&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2008 National 150th anniversary celebrations end with a bang: https://www.qebarnet.co.uk/new_and_noteworthy?newsID=304 Festival Performances Cheltenham Music Festival, BBC Radio 3, July 13, 2009: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/radio/2009/wk28/7day.shtml#sat_radio3 Festival Nuits Romantiques – Festival – Artistes: http://www.nuitsromantiques.com/fr/festival/artistes/festival-artistes.htm Festival de musique de Besançon Franche-Comté, September 26, 2013: http://www.festival-besancon.com/programme-jour-par-jour Recording Sweet, Sacred Feast!: http://www.worldcat.org/title/sweet-sacred-feast-in-celebration-of-the-quincentenary-of-the-birth-of-saint-philip-neri/oclc/939681010 Reviews London Mozart Players, October 18, 2007: http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/1769291.London_Mozart_Players__University_Church Orchestra Europa, Oxford Playhouse, January 24, 2008: http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/1991459.Orchestra_Europa__Oxford_Playhouse Orchestra Europa, Sheldonian Theatre, April 30, 2008: http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/2237847.Orchestra_Europa__Sheldonian_Theatre/ Orchestra Europa with the BBC Singers, March 9, 2009, Geoffrey Norris, Daily Telegraph: http://www.musicalamerica.com/news/newsstory.cfm?archived=0&storyID=20013&categoryID=5 Europa fits the bill, July 8, 2009: http://rangefree.blogspot.com/2009/07/europa-fits-bill.html Orchestra Europa, Chichester Cathedral, July 13, 2009: http://www.chichester.co.uk/news/orchestra-europa-chichester-cathedral-1-1512939  09:42, 18 September 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as News searches are not finding better, the listed sources are still not actually substantial enough for his own article, which certainly would still need improvements considering it's still quite thin; there's also no convincing library holdings. SwisterTwister   talk  03:23, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please find below additional articles, festivals performances, recording, and reviews (in addition to the reviews from The Times, Telegraph of London, and The New York Times) that I believe support the substantial category. I would be happy to flesh out the article should we reach consensus.
 * Keep: As the above comment offers additional independent published reliable reviews for inclusion, and even though they do not readily appear in News searches, I believe that they justify a case for keeping the article. I notice that the article was created two months ago and I would suggest that we allow a little more time for contributors to develop further. I have started the process, the sources now listed in the article I believe remedy the substantial test (Avenue Magazine, BBC Music Magazine, Classical Music Magazine, The Oxford Times etc.), and in addition I have found a few other sources that merit inclusion. CourteousMel ( talk ) 11:34, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment:, could you or an administrator please strike one of your two "keep" votes, please. Richard3120 (talk) 01:19, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Additional comment: the problem is that the majority of these sources make a better case for having an article on Orchestra Europa, and redirecting Scott Ellaway to that article instead. Richard3120 (talk) 01:26, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Richard3120, this process is not a vote as such but an opportunity for discussion. You make a very good point about establishing an article for Orchestra Europa. However, the sources listed refer primarily to Scott Ellaway as founder and his talent as a conductor in his own right “Behind the baton with Scott Ellaway" (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/behind-baton-conductor-scott-ellaway-2141355). The reviews listed are about Scott Ellaway working with the London Mozart Players (Oxford Times), New York City Ballet (New York Times), BBC Singers (Telegraph), and of course Orchestra Europa as Artistic Director and Founder. Therefore, I still believe that the article in question should be kept but fully support an independent article being created about Orchestra Europa in the near future. CourteousMel (talk) 02:48, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , I'm a bit confused about your statement that "this process is not a vote" because you are the person who voted "keep", and I am the one who has only commented on the discussion so far... However, my main concern is that RorySolow has voted "keep" twice, and each person is only allowed one vote, so the second one should be struck. I haven't made up my mind yet on this particular article. Richard3120 (talk) 02:57, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Richard3120 I try to keep Wikietiquette in mind when editing or adding comment. However, I am sure the second Keep as posted by RorySolow can be adjusted by him or an editor as necessary. CourteousMel (talk) 03:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Changed my second post to a Comment. 07:28, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: As a newbie to Wikipedia, with a background in music, I recommend keeping this article. The New York Times review refers to Scott Ellaway as guest conductor. Usually, that means all repertoire on the program will be conducted by the visiting conductor, in this case that includes Kammermusik No. 2 by Hindemith. I also notice, via a quick google search, that Scott Ellaway was being considered as a future music director. The above reviews listed meet WP:CREATIVE FortunaMajor (talk) 17:17, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:34, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Concerns about the article are centered around lack of notable sources, that the article is a little thin on the ground, or that the sources listed are Orchestra Europa centric. In response a list of notable sources have been produced (Telegraph, Times, New York Times, Oxford Times, Chichester Observer, BBC Music Magazine, Classical Music Magazine, Gig Magazine etc.) that include reviews, editorial, and recording. It has been stated that some of the reviews listed are Orchestra Europa centric. The reviews speak of Scott Ellaway as a conductor in his own right or refer to his work as a conductor before discussing other subject matter. The original author has offered to flesh out the article utilizing the sources listed above if consensus is reached. Whatever the outcome, as this is public record, I would recommend that the closing admin strike out the last sentence put forward by the nominator that includes the following sentence   "(The NYT article is about a ballet performance for which he conducted 2 violins, not an orchestra).”    This is an inaccurate statement as "Concerto Barocco” is scored for two soloists, strings, and basso continuo. CourteousMel (talk) 17:14, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep – Anyone who conducted substantial notable works with notable orchestras at notable venues meets WP:NMUSIC. I won't harp on the mis-characterisation of his performance for the New York City Ballet at Lincoln Center. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:24, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


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