Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Joiner


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 23:13, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Scott Joiner

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines and WP:MUSICBIO. There are a lot of references packed into this article but very few of them mention the subject in more than a passing manner. Those that do are blogs. A web search turns up mostly social media like LinkedIn etc. or passing mentions. J bh Talk  15:07, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  J bh  Talk  15:09, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete - As noted above, the page's current references are deceiving since the subject is only mentioned in passing in RS. Meatsgains (talk) 15:17, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Save - The references I included may not be the best sources on the subject. I can certainly find better ones. User:PrincipessaLucia —Preceding undated comment added 15:47, 5 October 2016 (UTC)  — PrincipessaLucia (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * If you have independent, reliable sources that devote significant coverage ie a minimum of 2-3 paragraphs, please add them to the article. J bh  Talk  16:08, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. What is the time frame in which this must be done? PrincipessaLucia (talk) 16:23, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This AfD will run for a minimum of 7 days. Also, please indent your comments, it makes it easier for others to follow the conversation. This brief tutorial on editing talk pages will help explain how to do that. Cheers. J bh  Talk  16:41, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep – Creating a role in a notable opera and singing as a soloist at Carnegie Hall, apart from Joiner's other activities, seem just enough to satisfy WP:MUSBIO. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:00, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - New to Wikipedia, but not new to the arts. I'm passionate about opera and new opera composers. I uploaded some print articles on the subject, who appears to meet all the criteria outlined in the Notability Guidelines from the link above.  Also found many more newspaper reviews in which the subject and the subject's work is mentioned in a more-than-casual commentary.   User:HexaKord415 (talk) 20:49, 7 October 2016 (UTC) — HexaKord415 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Where are these articles? I don't see them anywhere. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:16, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:DEL7 and WP:DEL8. Significant coverage is sorely missing here. In fact there is hardly anything in reliable sources to even verify stuff in the article. Most of the references are deceiving - I mean, one "review" was sourced to a Twitter status. Every other reference has a passing mention (if a mention at all). There is seriously not enough coverage to be able to write a verifiable NPOV article per WP:WHYN and hence it should be deleted. The musical achievements actually indicate WP:TOOSOON so I am not convinced that it passes MUSICBIO. Even if it did, it would still need require coverage for WP:V purposes, which it doesn't have. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:15, 16 October 2016 (UTC)


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