Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott McKeown

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 16:52, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

Scott McKeown

 * It is with a heavy heart that I nominate this for VfD, for the loss of anyone is sad and a loss in tragic circumstances like the Glendale train crash even more so. However Wikipedia is not a memorial and the article doesn't (for me) establish encycolopedic notablity.Delete Thryduulf 20:46, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. --fvw *  21:53, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia isn't a memorial. Average Earthman 00:53, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, but he does sound famous doesn't he? sugarfish 01:16, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Force10 06:54, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * R.I.P. Scott McKeown and the 10 other victims of last week's Glendale tragedy. Sadly, until we create WikiMemorial or WikiObituaries or whatever we call it, delete this one. :( Szyslak 07:22, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - I didn't know Scott and his early death is a tragedy - but this simply isn't a memorial site and he wasn't that memorable. Brookie 17:34, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete It's really a shame to delete this; we really need to establish a WikiMemorial or WikiObituaries. We should warn the author so he/she doesn't lose the text if we do delete this. I don't like doing this, but it's just not encyclopedic.Zantastik 07:21, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - we have terrible double standards here. Why do we have an article on Doris Angleton, a murdered socialite? is a socialite encyclopedic, but a telecommunications professional not? Why do we have an article on Jessica Bergsten and Cassie Bernall instead of only an article on their murderers? Why is Carlie Brucia's murder encyclopedic, but McKeown's death not? Why is Kris Donald's murder anymore note-worthy than McKeown's death? Are the following deaths significant enough to deem a devoted article? Kristen French, Kimberly Anne Guglielmo, Tammy Homolka, Brian Howe (murder victim), Christine Jessop, Holly Jones, Leslie Mahaffy, Gail Miller, Betty Osborne, Alison Parrott, Reena Virk, Lili Wang and Cecilia Zhang. If you are going to delete Scott McKeown, you should consider deleting many of the articles i've metioned. Kingturtle 02:00, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * The quick answer would be that we have those articles because they haven't been nominated for VfD. Average Earthman 10:16, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I've gone through and had a quick read of all the articles you link to. I'll put a brief summary of my thoughts on each one below. Before I do that, I should say that I think that beign murdered is slilghtly more notable than being killed in a train crash, but not sufficent to merit inclusion in WP on its own, however if the murder is notable this can make the victim notable (for being notably murdered). Whether this is a view shared by others I have no idea. If others want to use my comments in any future VfDs on these articles you may do.
 * Doris Angleton (created 28 August 2003, marked for cleanup since 8 December 2004): Doesn't seem notable to me, although if it is cleaned up notability may be established. 90% of the edits have been by User:WhisperToMe, who created the article.
 * Carlie Brucia (created 4 February 2004). This apparently generated a lot of US-nationwide media attention at the time, which would establish enough notability for me. The talk page shows it was subjected to a VfD from 8 February 2004, the consensus of which was to keep that article.
 * Jessica Bergsten was murdered by "famous skateboarder Mark Rogowski". Because of his fame (his article firmly establishes that) and the fact she was prominently featured in a DVD about his rise and fall (see her article) I feel she merits an article.
 * Cassie Bernall was a Columbine High School massacre victim. Of the 15 victims of that tragedy, 6 have articles. Of those 6, 4 are subject to current VfDs (all started by User:UncleG on 1st February, the current consensus seems to be to make them redircts to the massacre article. The only other one who is not subject to a VfD is Rachel Scott, this seems to be because her parents have written very extensively about her and the massacre. Were Cassie's article to be subject to a VfD I wouldn't vote.
 * Kris Donald (a white person murdered by "British Asians of Pakistani Muslim origin"): reading the article this seems to have been quite an issue, with the case being cited by far right wing groups and contrasted to the Stephen Lawrence murder. I'd vote to keep this article.
 * Kristen French: Doesn't strike me as notable at all. I will be marking this for VfD when I have finished commenting here.
 * Kimberly Anne Guglielmo: "The murder of Kimberly Anne Guglielmo which at first received sensational print and elecronic media coverage in New York and Florida, was eventually dropped as attention of the public was diverted to the trial of O. J. Simpson and the arrest of Timothy McVeigh". Reading this extensive article, it seems notable enough to me.
 * Tammy Homolka: Murdered by her sister, serial killer Karla Homolka. Whether she is notable or not is a pretty difficult decision. There is not much more in this article than what is said about her in her sister's article. I'm not nominating this for VfD myself, but if someone else did I'd probably vote weak delete.
 * Brian Howe (murder victim) was killed by the extremely notorious Mary Bell. The article says absolutely nothing however (when you remove the cleanup and stub notices your left with his date of death and date of burrial. I will also be nominating this for deletion.
 * Christine Jessop This doesn't establish notability at all - I'll mark it for VfD.
 * Holly Jones. This is more difficult to decide on, if the murder happened in Britain it would almost certainly have caused a lot of media attention, especially as the tabloids would haev a field day with the comments about Child pornography. Can anyone from the Toronto area (or Canada in general) say whether this happened or not? I wont mark this for VfD, but I have put a note on the talk page.
 * Leslie Mahaffy. Again this doesn't seem notable to me, another VfD I think.
 * Gail Miller. Notable enough (but only just) imho.
 * Betty Osborne. This seems to be locally important, whehter this is enough I will let others decide.
 * Reena Virk. Notable enough for me.
 * Lili Wang. Just notable enough imho, but only just.
 * Cecilia Zhang her dissapearance made "Canadian and international headlines.". This statement in itself make the article worth keeping imho.
 * Remeber that all of the above are just my personal opinions, if you find any other articles on WP that you genuinely feel don't belong you are free to propose them for deletion. Thryduulf 12:10, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Merge a highly condensed portion into Glendale train crash, and encourage the same for other victims. - Keith D. Tyler  [ flame ]  23:09, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

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