Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Page-Pagter


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Scott Page-Pagter

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Appears to fail WP:BIO. Searches yielded no substantial coverage in reliable sources for this subject. Only non-reliable sources or trivial coverage was uncovered. Also long-term unreferenced BLP. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, no non-trivial coverage found. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:22, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, while meeting the GNG is always a great yardstick by which to measure notability, it is not the only yardstick we use here at Wikipedia.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Let this page stay. He is a talented voice actor and voice director. Rtkat3 (talk) 2:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Tell me how you think "talented" is a reason to keep. Oh wait, IT FREAKING ISN'T. You've been here as long as I have, you should know that "but but but I like it!" won't get an article kept. Use your freaking head. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * He has worked on Power Rangers acting as a producer and voice overs on some of the monsters. He voice acted and voice directed some of the anime. He also managed to gain a spot on the Adventures in Voice Acting DVD. (Rtkat3) (talk) 2:45, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * But there are no reliable sources on him. It's possible to work on notable works and not be notable yourself. WP:NOTINHERITED. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Pardon, but guideline does indeed instruct how and when the notability of one's work DOES reflect back to the work's creator. And while reliable sources not being IN the article is always a good reason to add them, it is not always a decent reason to delete simply because someone else has not yet done so.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Seconding TenPoundHammer here - notability is not inherited, and it is very possible for people to work on notable productions and still fail notability in their own right. Biographies of living people require substantial sourcing, and this article has none.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:14, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * To politely disagree on those points: Guideline specifically allows that notability can indeed be "inherited" through the established and verifiable notability of one's work.  "Substantial" while terrific, is not a criteria of WP:V.  And while the GNG is always a great yardstick by which to measure notability, it is not the only yardstick we use here at Wikipedia.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep per sources added. Kthapelo (talk) 00:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Those sound like they're likely to be trivial mentions. SchuminWeb (Talk) 14:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  — -- Cirt (talk) 17:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Keep per verifiable career meeting WP:ENT and WP:CREATIVE, even if only for "popular" televsison and film. Among those many notable productions for which he has made significant and verifiable contributions, he has produced more than 450 episodes of the Power Rangers series. Article has been expanded and additional sources are being added. Always better to improve than delete. And yes, while meeting the GNG is always a great yardstick by which to measure notability, it is not the only yardstick we use here at Wikipedia.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:08, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. While WP:GNG is (as the name implies) a guideline to which we can make excpetions, WP:V and WP:BLP are policies—indeed core policies—to which exceptions are not appropriate.  I see that there are some soures in the article so we're not looking at simply copying IMDb here but I don't really have an opinion as to whether they are sufficient or not.  Eluchil404 (talk) 10:00, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 17:48, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep He has had a substantial career, and people who have never met him and don't expect to might want to look him up, which is my criteria for biographical articles, and a much better one than all the thousands of words in the official policies. Alex Middleton (talk) 23:33, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.