Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Savol


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 07:55, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Scott Savol

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Delete. After Articles for deletion/Alexis Grace (2nd nomination) saw a “delete” outcome, I feel that the time has come to determine which of the American Idol contestants truly deserve their own articles. WP:NOTINHERITED tells us that just because somebody appeared on American Idol, it doesn’t make them notable and worthy of an article. This fails WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. Savol has done nothing of note since leaving Idol. DJ 09:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC) A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:
 * Move to Userspace for Cleanup. Subject has been cited in numerous third-party pubs with a rep. for fact checking. This meets general notability, however, these sources were not referenced in the article itself. According to "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" at WP:MUSIC

Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable. Article should be kept, but cleaned up significantly. Artemis84 (talk) 20:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

This sort of mass nomination is unproductive because it leads to people voting based on "I like it"/"I don't like it" since no one can reasonably be expected to properly research 38 articles of the same nature in a week. (Indeed this has already begun to happen.) Since the results of these AfDs are likely to be influenced by voting rather than a proper discussion, they should all be closed with no prejudice against reopening a few at a time after a good faith attempt to determine notability has been made. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy close as a (unintentionally) disruptive nomination. The nominator rapid fire nominated 38 American Idol contestants all with the same (invalid) rationale that Alexis Grace (who finished 11th and hasn't had a chance to do anything post Idol yet) was deleted.  It is quite clear that he/she made no attempt to research any of the nominations as several quite clearly meet multiple inclusion criteria.  Some of these articles should be kept, and others merged, but none should be deleted.  All arguably meet WP:MUSIC #9: "Has won or placed in a major music competition" by virtue of making the finals of American Idol and the less notable ones should at least be merged with their respective American Idol season X pages.


 * Speedy close per ThaddeusB. Jeni  ( talk ) 00:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy close per WikiProject Idol series; the Alexis Grace deletion was improper per that guideline, and this one is even more so. --RBBrittain (talk) 02:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy close per ThaddeusB. Crafty (talk) 02:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Despite the support of the Idol Wikiproject, subject fails WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. Lara  19:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin, the above vote is a copy and paste vote, pasted across a group of AfDs in such a short space of time that the user could not have adequately checked notability of the subject in question. Jeni  ( talk ) 19:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin, the above comment is a copy and paste comment, pasted across a group of AfDs in such a short space of time that the user could not have adequately considered the possibility that the editor did their research before they posted the results in a more efficient manner SpikeTheSpider (talk) 05:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is going to be copy/pasted into all of them as well. The nominations should have been made as one AFD with the rest bulleted. That would have saved everyone time. The nominations themselves were good. Not all should be deleted, but they are all BLPs of questionable notability and are, thus, in great need of attention. I looked over every article, and not every one of my votes reads exactly the same and there was at least one keep vote from me. It wasn't time consuming to click to the article, see where they placed and then scroll down to see if they've done anything of note. For the sake of clarity, "placed in a major competition" should be clarified to detail where, exactly, as far as Idol goes. Placing in the top 12 is too broad. Top three or four is reasonable. But that is for another discussion. Lara  08:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.