Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Savol (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. RL0919 (talk) 17:07, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Scott Savol
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Fails WP:NSINGER. Bgsu98  (Talk)  03:21, 11 May 2023 (UTC) Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Notability (people), which says: "People are presumed if they have received significant coverage in  that are,  of each other, and .If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability." Sources   The article notes: "Last year, Scott Savol was on "American Idol," chasing his dream of a big-time music career in front of tens of millions of television viewers. Last week, he was in a Cleveland Heights house, holed up in a second-floor bedroom that had been converted into a home recording studio. ... Framed photos of Martin Luther King Jr. and Tupac Shakur look down from the walls. The studio is run by William Lynch and his son, Ray. They've known Savol for years, long before he went to Hollywood to compete on "Idol." ... For the holiday season, Savol recorded a one-off single titled "Upon a Christmas Night," available as a 99-cent download from Cleveland International Records."   The article notes: "In 2005, Savol brought a burst of fame to his hometown of Shaker Heights and caused a frenzy of call-in support from local fans when he surprisingly plowed his way into the top five on "American Idol." He didn't have the glamorous looks of an 'Idol'; one writer commented that Savol always looked as if he had stopped by the Fox show on his way to the mall food court. Yet his smooth voice only seemed to get more polished each week. The days are gone when Cleveland's homegrown star got invited regularly to croon for Leno, Ellen, Regis and the rest, but Savol's dad, Edward Savol, said that a long-promised debut album should arrive soon. The "Idol" star no longer lives in Shaker Heights; he got married shortly after the show ended and moved to Tennessee to be part of the Nashville music scene."   The book notes: "In contrast to the glowing presence of Carrie Underwood, Scott "the Body" Savol represented the other end of the spectrum. Pudgy, sullen, and uncommunicative, the R&B singer radiated anticharisma. Yet, as the season progressed, he survived as fan favorites fell. Even after The Smoking Gun revealed Savol had once been arrested for hitting the mother of his child with a telephone, he continued to climb. In the top six week of the competition, Savol finally outlasted one of the season's breakthrough stars, long-haired rocker Constantine Maroulis. The media went ballistic and set off an investigation worthy of the Iran-Contra affair. "Maybe the conspiracy theorists are on to something. There's little else to explain Scott Savol's baffling longevity on American Idol," wrote USA Today. ... Savol's fortunes likely had more to do with his nods to Idol's Christian viewers, but Vote for the Worst was now part of the Idol dialogue."   The article notes: "There were many reasons why Savol could not win, the least of which was his inability to stay on pitch. ... Savol could not be the "American Idol" because he does not inspire mimicry. As judge Simon Cowell once noted, the inexplicably swaggering Savol was ordinary. Audiences might admire the chutzpah of an ordinary man. But they do not aspire to be him. ... Savol was styled in a jarring puzzle of hip-hop cliches, business casual jackets and debate club eyeglasses. His jeans were oversize and with the kind of washed-out look that announces their designer credentials." </li> <li> The article notes: "Scott landed in the Top 5 on season 4, the same year as Carrie Underwood. Now, he works for a local cable provider while he sings with his band ‘Avenue’ in his free time." </li> <li> The article notes: "What's Off-Key: He showed a competitive side in the audition rounds that seems to have been snuffed out in front of a large, live audience. Clothes Calls: Scott hasn’t quite looked comfortable in any of his dull duds. Perhaps an area-code jersey is the way to go?" </li> <li> The article notes: "Another season, another Idol contestant whose past has caught up with him. This time, it’s American Idol finalist Scott Savol, who in 2001 was arrested on a charge of felony domestic violence after allegedly roughing up his infant son’s mother during a Valentine’s Day confrontation. The charge was eventually reduced to disorderly conduct." </li> <li> The article notes: "A former "American Idol" contestant visited Hillside High School last week to sing and motivate students. Scott Savol, a top five finalist on season four of the popular singing competition, made a surprise visit to the school last Friday. Savol was the subject of some controversy during his time on the show because he had been charged with misdemeanor assault for hitting his girlfriend and mother of his son with a telephone on Valentine's Day 2001." </li> <li> The article notes: "Scott Savol: The Shaker Heights resident finished fifth on Season 4 of “American Idol” (won by Carrie Underwood). Savol made headlines during the season when it was revealed he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct charges in 2001. Producers allowed him to continue in the competition. Savol recently tried out for NBC’s “The Voice” and sings in popular Cleveland wedding band The Avenue." </li> <li> The article notes: "Birthdate: April 30, 1976. Personal: Engaged to Rochelle Waddell; a July 8 wedding is planned. Savol has a 5-year-old son, Brandon, from a previous relationship. Savol is the second of four children of Edward and Catherine Savol of Shaker Heights; he has an older sister, a younger brother and a younger sister." </li> <li> The article notes: "It wasn't until local hero Scott Savol from Shaker Heights took the stage that the crowd really started to explode. Savol's fans filled the seats on the left side of the stage and barked at the pudgy singer whenever provoked. Creatively dubbed "the Dawg Pound," Savol's fans went crazy as he finished off a three-song set with Hall and Oates' She's Gone. Savol even brought his son Brandon onstage to say hello to the crowd." </li> <li> The article notes: "On “American Idol” Tuesdays, Champps Restaurant becomes Scott Savol Central. ... Hometown pride has a lot to do with it. Many Savol fans say that while they like his vocal talent, spirituality and strong family ties, mostly it’s just fun to root for a Clevelander." </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Scott Savol to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 01:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC) </li></ul> Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 02:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Television,  and Ohio.  Bgsu98   (Talk)  03:21, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Clearly fails WP:NSINGER. --Tserton (talk) 19:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete WP:SINGLEEVENT, Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 03:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP1E says "We generally should avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met". The first condition is "If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event" and the second condition is "If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual." Savol is not covered "only in the context of a single event" and he did not "remain a low-profile individual". He was on the fourth season of American Idol which "premiered on January 18, 2005, and continued until May 25, 2005". He received received significant coverage afterwards in sources published in 2006, 2008, 2009, 2011, and 2016. A person who has received significant coverage for that long is not a low-profile individual. There is biographical coverage of him outside of his appearance on American Idol. There is coverage about his single "Upon a Christmas Night", his romantic ballad "I Do", his filming a television ad, his singing a national anthem at the Cleveland Browns Stadium for a Cleveland Browns football game, and his performing at his concert at the Shore Cultural Centre in Euclid, his trying out for the NBC television show The Voice, and his singing in the Cleveland wedding band The Avenue.  Cunard (talk) 06:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the multiple reliable sources identified by Cunard in this discussion that show together significant coverage for WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: My original nomination of this article was based on my interpretation of the criteria at WP:NSINGER. Reading the following - "Singers and musicians who are only notable for participating in a reality television series may be redirected to an article about the series, until they have demonstrated that they are independently notable." - it would be appropriate to redirect this article to appropriate season of American Idol, which is what I probably should have done in the first place. Bgsu98   (Talk)  02:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm not seeing the song "I Do" mentioned in the above source excerpts, but I see where his single "Upon a Christmas Night" got coverage in The Plain Dealer, and I was able to find news coverage of "I Do" on my own, using ProQuest. --Jpcase (talk) 22:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. The person who loves reading (talk) 02:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


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