Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Tracy Griffin


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The result was   no consensus. Nakon 03:34, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Scott Tracy Griffin

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Fails WP:BASIC; unable to find "multiple independent sources...to demonstrate notability". A thorough search yielded only this interview and this review of his book. Fails WP:ANYBIO; this author was one of five finalists for a Locus Award. Fails WP:AUTHOR; this author is not widely cited or well known. Aside from creating the Tarzan art book, I located this [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-tracy-griffin/tarzan-centennial-photos_b_2170667.html? blog article] in the Huffington Post. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:03, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It says the book was a winner of an award http://www.locusmag.com/News/2013/06/locus-awards-winners/ a winner of a notable award Locus Award -Govindaharihari (talk) 00:07, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The award winners are in red; the finalists are listed below it. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:23, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerlyHMSSolent)|lambast 00:52, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, apologies for the length of this post, but here goes:

First, numerous third-party sources exist, and have been added to the page. I'm not sure how a "thorough" search failed to turn up things like an article on Griffin in the L.A. Times, but Googling this author turns up more than [https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=scott+tracy+griffin&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4AVNB_enUS622US623&q=scott+tracy+griffin&gs_l=hp...41l3.0.0.0.2549...........0. ONE MILLION] hits, so there's a lot to wade through.

Second, there is no claim that this book WON a Locus award. It was a FINALIST in the Best Art Books category as clearly noted. This is taken directly from the Locus Website. Please read carefully, if you are deciding whether to delete an article, and don't remove it based on a mistake on the part of the reviewer.

I also found the claim that there weren't many reviews of Griffin's work "Tarzan: The Centennial Celebration" puzzling (a "thorough search"only turned up one review and one interview?!). I provided an Amazon.com link to the book (since deleted, but here it is for those who want to vet this article: Tarzan: The Centennial Celebration), or the list of reviews on Griffin's Website (those are all hyperlinked). This book has received dozens of glowing reviews. I didn't include these in the article, because I'm trying to create a stub, and will leave it to more experienced Wikipedians to add all the reviews and proper cites, if there is a demand for that. Personally, I just want the basics who this is, what he's done, why he's notable, and where he's from--I didn't realize Wikipedia was soliciting reviews to legitimize the subject, but if reviews are needed, here is a sample quote list from a few reviews by notable online sources like aintitcool.com and Huffington Post:

“Regular AICN readers know that Titan usually knocks books of this ilk out of the park. Even taking into account Titan’s lofty pedigree, TARZAN: THE CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION emerges as magnificently presented, stunningly laid out, and beautifully guided by author Griffin & Co. This may be the company’s best work yet” – aintitcool

"At the century mark, one of the world's most enduring literary franchises is honored with a gallery of art in Tarzan: The Centennial Celebration." – Huffington Post

“The highest compliment a reader can pay to Griffin’s enormous work here is that it would be every bit as entertaining if it were an unillustrated work of black-and-white prose.” – Open Letters Monthly

“The book offers an in-depth history of Edgar Rice Burroughs’ creation courtesy of Scott Tracy Griffin, probably one of the best Burroughs scholars out there. Griffin gets in-depth but stays breezy enough for casual fans to enjoy his text.” – Uproxx

“I really can’t say enough good things about Tarzan: The Centennial Celebration. With so much information, so many great photos and pieces of artwork, backed up by Griffin’s obvious authority and appreciation for the character, this is the definitive book on the legend of the ape man.” – Top Hat Sasquatch

“Published by Titan Books, it is an eye-dazzling, mind-blowing collection of cover art and descriptive essays all about the world’s most famous fictional character. Author Scott Tracy Griffin, a Tarzan expert who is said to live within vine-swinging distance of Tarzana, Calif., has done a magnificent job of putting all this together.” – Amazing Stories

“Tarzan: The Centennial Celebration is a must buy if you ever loved Tarzan. The book is a perfect way to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the jungle man’s first appearance.” – Wired.com

“Griffin not only writes great content for anyone who has ever been a fan and is curious about the history, but he also builds a timeless collection and presents the material in chronological order. . . the quality of this book as a collector’s item is unmatched. It’s a brilliant hard cover.” – ComicHype

“A remarkable piece of work which succeeds in being both a lavish treasury of Tarzan images and a comprehensive guide to the character on his 100th birthday. Worth standing on the top of a waterfall and doing a jungle cry about!” – The Herts Advertiser

“Griffin clearly did his research, but instead of just listing off a litany of information about the book, he provides a deeper understanding of this deeply American literary establishment.” – Geek Mundo

"lovingly detailed artwork and insight." – MTV Geek

"Topped off with a look at collectibles, conventions, authorised sequels and more (not to mention a brilliant foreword from big screen Tarzan Ron Ely), there's no doubting the fact that this is a must-have for any fan of Tarzan." – Comic Book Movie

"this magnificent Tarzan tribute volume makes a compelling case that the Ape Man has as strong a grip on our collective imaginations as he always did." – Open Letters Monthly

Griffin's official bio on http://scotttracygriffin.com/ has an extensive list of his print and film contributions--I only included a small sample, including those that already have Wikipedia stubs.

Also note, Griffin has worked largely in the print media, not online. The copyrighted articles he's written for periodicals over a span of 20 years aren't available online. One of the links provided earlier today (and almost immediately removed) included a sample bibliography of his work. Here is the page with a sample bibliography of his professional canon, which began in 1993: http://www.erbzine.com/mag40/4016.html

I tried to post this stub numerous times today, and every time, my work was immediately torn down--it was obvious, giving the quick turnaround that my work wasn't being properly vetted. I was hoping that by providing a stub, others in the Wikipedia community could collaborate and come up with additional information and sources.

I realize I'm a neophyte to the Wikipedia editorial community, but I had hoped that all my hard work would be put forth to others at large for collaboration, instead of being immediately destroyed. I urge anyone who is considering this author's notability like to actually take the time to do the research by visiting the links provided and wading through some of the one million pages on Google. Please don't rely on the wiki which has been repeatedly adulterated, with chunks of it, including references, removed. (I've tried to restore the text, with additional citations, AGAIN, but who knows how long that will last?) Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carolann Wright (talk • contribs) 04:18, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the book is more notable than the person? I am not voting anyway, I tried to improve the article and there is no problem with the content as I left it, he is a real person that wrote a book Govindaharihari (talk) 15:55, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:38, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Esquivalience t 00:18, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I put a call out for more third-party print sources and have added a couple. I'm sure if the article remains (even if flagged), others will find more sources over time. Thanks,Carolann Wright (talk) 04:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Delete - I have seriously tried to located how Scott Tracy Griffin has covered "the film industry for magazines including Cinefantastique, FilmFax, and Alter Ego." The source cited for this claim is an issue of the Starkville Daily News from November 21, 2012, which is unavailable online. So I tried finding these articles in Cinefantastique, FilmFax, and Alter Ego. No luck. This article seems a house of cards. I've been unable to find any reliable sources which state anything more than that this person occasionally contributes articles about Tarzan to blogs, non-notable publications, and to self-published publications. Also, he published a picture book about Tarzan, which won no awards. I stand firmly behind my original nomination for deletion. This is an encyclopedia, not fansite. Magnolia677 (talk) 01:29, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Retain. He may not be a notable writer and actor, but he is definitely Notable for having put together the Tarzan book. It is perfectly OK for a person to be Notable for only one thing. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:06, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep the article improvements and additional sources to support notability urge me to support the article now, thanks to User:BeenAroundAWhile. - . Govindaharihari (talk) 13:47, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, all,for the help. Magnolia, did you do a basic Google search for "Scott Tracy Griffin" + "Cinefantastique"? I got 5,020 hits, with numerous cites. After sorting through those (& "+ Filmfax" & "+ alter ego" etc.--all respected genre publications), perhaps you could haunt used bookstores that specialize in back issues of movie magazines? Not sure why you have such a bias against this Wiki.  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
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