Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scottish Gliding Association


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The result was no consensus. Daniel (talk) 09:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Scottish Gliding Association

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PROD was removed for unknown reasons. Non-notable association, I could not find any sources to meet WP:ORG. All the so-called notable clubs have redlinks and mainly the article seems to be WP:OR. JayJayWhat did I do? 18:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. JayJayWhat did I do?  18:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. JayJay</b><sup style="color:black">What did I do?  18:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete No SIGCOV, fails WP:GNG. SK2242 (talk) 18:45, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep It is a Scottish level club, covering the whole country. It deserves an article. And it does pass WP:SIGCOV, albeit quite slimly.   scope_creep Talk  21:56, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Significant coverage where? Phil Bridger (talk) 21:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - but it may need either merging with or better distinguishing from the Scottish Gliding Union. I've found and added a lot of references from the 1930s onwards to the founding of the Scottish Gliding Association. I'm sure it's notable. However - although initially it was called the Scottish Gliding Association, somewhere along the line, probably in the late 1930s, the name seems to have been changed to the Scottish Gliding Union. Pretty sure these are the same two organisations to begin with as the later accounts of the founding of the Union match the contemporary accounts of the founding of the Association. They also seem to share the same sites, at least some of the time. One or both of them is also referred to occasionally as the Scottish Gliding Club or the National Club, just to make things more confusing. However, we now have an article on each and they have separate websites - Scottish Gliding Centre, yet another name for the Scottish Gliding Union, and Scottish Gliding Association. Unless anyone in on this discussion can unpick what the difference is, I would suggest getting in touch with the two groups and asking if they can clarify their earlier relationship to each other. There is a book, The Scottish Gliding Union, A History: 1934-2008, which ought to help. I do not understand why the current version of the article refers to the SGA being formed in 1986, when newspaper coverage suggests it was already a fairly mature organisation. Possibly it was relaunched or separated off from the SGU at this time. Anyway - certainly notable from the coverage I've found and added, and I'm sure there is more out there in histories of gliding or biographies of some of the Scottish pioneers of gliding. Tacyarg (talk) 00:12, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment There will be reams of stuff on it. As it goes back to the 30's, it was likely they were involved World War 2 somehow. There would be no way that national organisation wouldn't be doing its bit. It needs the correct search.   scope_creep Talk  01:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I found newspaper references saying the Union (referred to as such at that point, rather than the Association) had closed down during the Second World War (I guess its airfield may have been requisitioned for war use). Some of its members were certainly involved in aviation in the war, but I didn't immediately find any notable names. After the war there is absolutely loads of activity recorded in the newspapers from the 1950s to 1980s - competitions, records being set, accidents, social activity, concerns about land use, provision of gliding holidays. I think at least one of the Association's founders may have been notable, though none have articles - I'm thinking of Major R A Salvesen, who must have been related to all the Salvesens on whom we do have articles (Edward, Christian, Theodore, Henry and Harold). Tacyarg (talk) 01:31, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 14:16, 2 February 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 00:35, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


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