Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scottish national identity (2nd nomination)


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The result was Nomination withdrawn. See below. Non-admin closure. --Blanchardb- Me • MyEars • MyMouth -timed 02:18, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Scottish national identity
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Seems to be a load of original research. We don't have articles on English national identity, Irish national identity, French national identity, Italian national identity, German national identity or Polish national identity - so why should we have this? h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 01:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. The article has a few problems, but I don't believe that any of them are worthy of deletion.  WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid reason for deletion.  --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 01:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. That these other articles do not exist is simply a reflection that these peoples are already independent. A more adequate comparison would be Distinct society. Note that this intervention does not in any way reflect my personal political convictions about the status of either Quebec or Scotland. --Blanchardb- Me • MyEars • MyMouth -timed 01:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is part of an essay and is not a policy or guideline. Some content here could perhaps be merged but I don't think it deserves a stand-alone article.-h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 01:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * As I said the last time, there are no shortage of sources to create the article from. As well as the predigested summary in Lynch I mentioned the last time, a couple of minutes' work found: Broun et al (eds), Image and identity: the making and re-making of Scotland through the ages; Broun, The Irish Identity of the Kingdom of the Scots; Broun, "Dunkeld and the making of Scottish identity"; Broun, Scottish Independence and the Idea of Britain; and that's just part of only one academic's efforts on the subject. There are rooms-full of books and papers and proceedings on this topic: try googling this (web site:ac.uk), or this (books). Far from everything is relevant, but most is. Unlike the made-up, blood and soil nonsense in "Scottish people", this is a genuine topic and is the subject of a number of advanced academic courses. Angus McLellan (Talk) 02:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thinking about it now, I withdraw this nomination per the existence of multiple sources, and the fact that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is indeed a bad argument.-h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 02:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


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