Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scream (band)


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The result was keep. Yunshui 雲 水 10:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Scream (band)

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The band fails WP:Notability (music) standards of significant coverage because all the sources in the article are extremely trivial and nothing about them comes up in Google search that meets the notability guidelines. Adamant1 (talk) 11:46, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Washington, D.C.-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - This nomination indicates a pretty lackluster WP:BEFORE search and possibly a failure to read the article and its many statements on the band's notability. Any Google search conducted with more than the simple word "Scream" will come up with overwhelmingly reliable results. Do a search for <"Scream" + "Dave Grohl"> and you will find many articles about the band's history in reliable publications like Louder, Consequence of Sound , NME , Rolling Stone , Loudwire , Blabbermouth , and numerous others. Via a Google Books search you will find that they are covered prominently in several biographies of Dave Grohl, Foo Fighters, and Nirvana; and punk histories like Everybody Loves Our Town: An Oral History of Grunge by Mark Yarm and The Day the Music Died by Les MacDonald. The article needs cleanup, not deletion. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 20:16, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment As stated in my AfD reason I did a search on Google. I'm not sure how you would know it was "pretty lackluster", but whatever. Your yourself say nothing comes up unless the band is search for with Dave Grohl. Notability isn't inherited. So, if f a bunch of articles about Dave Grohl mention the band in passing that speaks to the notability of the band itself. Maybe the guy is notable, I don't really know or care since he isn't the subject of the AfD, but the band clearly isn't. Also, notability isn't determined by the Wikipedia article itself saying the subject is notable. Good try though. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:16, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * What I meant was a search of a basic word like "Scream" is unlikely to generate results about this band, so a more targeted search in conjunction with something more specific, such as the name of one member, will narrow things down. The exact same thing would have happened with <"Scream" + "Franz Stahl">. I did not claim that notability is inherited, I was instead referring to the longstanding guideline #6 at WP:NBAND. Read the sources that I listed in my vote and you will find that they cover the history of the band. Any history of Derek and the Dominos is bound to mention Eric Clapton but that does not mean they are only notable because of him. Nice try though. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 13:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Except when you put Dave Grohl + Scream into Google Search it comes with the exact same results I said I already checked and dont count in my nomination comment. There is no special more usable articles that magically appear by using Dave Grohl in the search or at least not ones I hadnt already looked at that you falsely claimed I didnt, because you thought you had some secret knowlege about to use a search engine that I dont. Like its not really damn obvious that more results will come up for a band if you search for the name of a band member along with it. As far as WP:NBAND #6 goes, who was the other person notable person in the band? Btw, most of his other lesser known acts dont have Wikipedia articles. There must be a reason for that besides that no one thought of creating them. There isnt an artice for Kurt Cobain's band The Jury or for the associated acts of many other notable musicians, because its not inherated. Adamant1 (talk) 14:34, 24 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep passes WP:NMUSIC criteria 1 (only one criteria needed) and WP:GNG due to significant coverage in multiple reliable sources such as Rolling Stone, NME, Consequence of Sound, and multiple reliable book sources so they deserve to have an article and deletion would be unjustified in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If you think they pass WP:NMUSIC #1 fine, but it requires non-trivial coverage. So can you provide ref to the sigificant in-depth, non-trivial coverage you claim exists? Because that's all I'm seeing. The only Rollong Stone article I'm seeing is about them reissuing an album. Which doesn't count IMO. Its only like two paragraphs and dont really talk about the band in an in-depth way. So where's the significant in-depth, multiple source, coverage exactly? Adamant1 (talk) 03:33, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Notability is not inherited. However, when reliable news sources such as the NME and Rolling Stone choose to cover a band, as we all know, they do so for a wide variety of reasons: changing tastes, famous associations, shocking behavior off the mic, and so on. Whatever their motives are doesn't really matter for our purposes. The point is that the band has gotten repeated mention in a way that makes deletion seem like the wrong call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:18, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Doomsdayer520. Putting all of those sources together should be enough to warrant a separate article.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 01:36, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


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