Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Screaming Bloody Murder


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. No prejudice against recreation once the album is closer to release. Regards,   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 18:46, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Screaming Bloody Murder

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Neither the band (Sum 41) nor the label (Island Records) have officially announced this as an upcoming album. Gnews turns up nothing as of yet, and Gweb has a few interesting hits that more or less unofficially confirm this will be Sum 41's new album, but nothing of substance that could be used to expand or create an article. While this may or may not be an upcoming album, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and we should not play guessing games. This article could be recreated once official confirmation is made, and there is enough information (confirmed title, full track listing, release date, etc.) provided by third-party published sources. See also, Complicity (album). Fezmar9 (talk) 19:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - No release date, lacks substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. 10#hammer applies. - SummerPhD (talk) 19:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:43, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep – The Sum 41 fan website of TheresNoSolution.com in connection with Fansite Connection are in close contact with Matt Whibley (The singer Deryck's cousin) has told owner of Fansite that the album will be called "Screaming Bloody Murder" but the record label is being difficult. Many stores have also put the album title as "Screaming Bloody Murder" as well as ChartAttack, a very good reliable source. - Boni Boy Blue Source: http://theresnosolution.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12567&view=unread#p282321 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.221.73.120 (talk) 15:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment – So this entire article is being held up by something an indirect relative to a band member posted on a forum? Part of what Wikipedia defines as a reliable source is independence from the subject in question and a source that's published. According to this news source, posted yesterday and featuring quotes from an interview with Steve Jocz, Screaming Bloody Murder is only a tentative title and it only gives the tentative release date of "fall." Fezmar9 (talk) 03:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment – Two more things: Major labels need a couple months to promote new albums. Island Records released Brandon Flowers' new single "Crossfire" on June 21 to promote his album Flamingo to be released on September 6. This rumored release date of August 31 seems highly unlikely with still no official announcement made. It's also interesting that Sum 41 referred to the release of "Scumfuck" as a leak. Are we sure Theresnosolution.com had permission to release it? Fezmar9 (talk) 03:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment well it is wrong to say that a source associated to the article is unreliable when it comes to such information, it mainly refers to biased or contestable claims. 66.131.29.222 (talk) 00:01, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment – I assume by "it" you mean Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources. And, yeah it's wrong. First of all it's the ONLY source present in the article at the moment. It's not okay for an article to exist when it is based solely on an unreliable source. What this single source is verifying (title, release date, single) will have an abundance of sources once an official confirmation is made. See WP:GNG. Also, information about future events is considered contestable information. See WP:FUTURE. Fezmar9 (talk) 03:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. A future album which has not yet received significant coverage. Rehevkor ✉  03:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.