Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Screaming Bloody Murder (album)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. the delete votes have the p;olciy edge but I'm happy to userfy this if someone wants to claim it. It can be movd back to mainsopace as soon as its released. Spartaz Humbug! 20:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Screaming Bloody Murder (album)

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An article for the upcoming Sum 41 album was deleted five times as Complicity (album) in 2009–2010, and twice as Screaming Bloody Murder in 2010. Complicity was salted due to multiple authors continuously recreating the same article with zero verifiable facts. Screaming Bloody Murder was created into a redirect to Sum 41 due to it being a plausible title (at the time it was unconfirmed), and it received full-protection to avoid yet another pre-mature article being created. As it stands, there is still not enough verifiable information for the upcoming Sum 41 album to have it's own Wikipedia article. The source for the release date is again coming from an online retailer, and that was one of the issues last time this article was created. Both WP:HAMMER and WP:CRYSTAL still apply. Fezmar9 (talk) 20:59, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per Criteria G4 and Salt - I just tagged it for you.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  21:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - But speedy deleting and salting are probably not necessary this time around. It looks like the album really will be released this time, given preparations by serious retailers like Amazon and CDUniverse. However, the album is still a few months away and there is not enough confirmed information available for an album article. When (if) it is truly released, and assuming this is the real title, a viable article can be created at that time. Meanwhile, the "cover" shown in this article sure looks fake to me, and the image file is backed up by equally fake copyright info. -- D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 15:18, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment – It should be noted that the article for Screaming Bloody Murder that was created in July 2010 was entirely based the Amazon.com listing which gave a title and release date. However by the given August release date, the album was still being produced and the title was only tentative as later discovered in subsequent interviews. I have been monitoring the Amazon.com listing since July for possible new information, and instead of removing the alleged product all together, they simply removed the release date have since continued to accept money for a product that still does not fully exist. Fezmar9 (talk) 16:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I got a different impression from recent interviews about the so-called "upcoming release" but you've surely been following things more closely. The article is ripe for deletion in any case! -- D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 14:34, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Rebuttal – Actually, on Sum41's homepage (www.sum41.com), not only can you see that the title "Screaming Bloody Murder" has been confirmed as the album title, but also, the album cover used in the article is indeed the same from the unreleased album. There is also a confirmation of the release date. I don't see why the article should be deleted if the information has been confirmed by the band themselves. LunaEclipse7 02:38 15 Jan 2011 (GMT)
 * The general consensus among editors of album articles on Wikipedia regarding upcoming albums is to wait until either: a reasonably detailed multi-paragraph article can be written, or the album's title, release date and track listing have all been confirmed. This article doesn't go into anymore detail than what's on Sum 41, so why have a separate article for the same information? This album likely will meet the general notability guidelines, but just not at this time. Fezmar9 (talk) 07:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - article has been massively improved, with plenty of sources, including one on the bands website, confirming the release and the name. --Ezhuks (talk) 19:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The content you are referring to was copied and pasted directly from Sum 41 without proper attribution. See WP:CWW. As of today, the information here does not go into any further detail about Screaming Bloody Murder than the band's article does. Why have a separate article for the exact same information? Fezmar9 (talk) 20:12, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, content that was moved from one article to a more suitable one is a completely different issue, in fact, it's not an issue at all - if someone, indeed, is worried about that, we should just follow WP:SPLITTING. --Ezhuks (talk) 20:00, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well okay, you can say where the information originates from, but that's not really a solution. Those templates are for articles that were cut and pasted, not copied and pasted. The exact same information word-for-word can't exist in two different places. It has to be trimmed down and reworded, or deleted entirely, in one place or the other. Also, the Sum 41 article became a dumping ground for minor details on the album since its article had been deleted so many times. If you actually read the information, it's just a bunch of glorified studio updates that give little factual content beyond "the band worked on the album some more." If you boil the entire seven paragraph section down to raw facts, you know: that this album was originally intended to be an EP in 2008, Gil Norton was hired to produce the album but the band did it themselves, Tom Lord-Alge mixed it, one song leaked and one song was officially released. That doesn't tell me much about what the album is, which is what an encyclopedia is for. It only tells me what the band did over the course of three years. Information that's far better suited for an artist's article. Fezmar9 (talk) 22:46, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - besides giving someone the joy of a power trip deletion, there is no reason to delete it just to build it again in two weeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.28.53 (talk) 08:42, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Userfy - The delete opinions are correct in policy, this article violates WP:crystal, and Amazon and CDUniverse aren't sufficiently reliable to use as sources to confirm a release date. The correct policy-wonk response is to delete the article and then undelete it when the album is released. However, I appreciate what I think is the real argument of the keep votes, which is 1. the album probably will be out in a couple of weeks and 2. people want to keep working on the article. All of these concerns can be addressed by parking the article in user space where it can be improved even more, and brought back when the album is released. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  16:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
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