Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sea Cliff, California


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The result was keep per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) versacespace  leave a message!  15:04, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Sea Cliff, California

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This was quite a pain to sort out, problems abetted first by a great deal of label drift on the maps, and second my a lot of sloppiness in naming. Older topos make it clear that "Sea Cliff" was first of all a small yard which was reduced over the years to the long passing siding which is still there. As more roads were run through the area, the label drifted away towards the northwest; then an interchange was dropped into the mix which obliterated the area most recently labelled "Sea Cliff", which inspection shows was always the location of various industrial/maintenance structures. Complicating all of this is a narrow strip of gated community wedged between Pacific Coast Highway and the shore, which after some searching I discovered is now called "Seacliff Beach Colony". At the southeast end of this is Hobson Beach Park, a county campground with a little cafe in the midst of it. Well, OK, and there's a Hobson Rd. running alongside the railroad on the north, but the main road in the gated community is Rincon Beach Park Dr, except that Rincon is a fair ways up the coast. Nonetheless, until the houses show up on the topos, the strip of land is labelled "RINCON". The upshot of all this is, it's clear there was never a town here called Sea Cliff, it's not even clear that the little strip of houses was always called Sea Cliff, and I just don't think it is a notable place anyway, considering how hard it was to find out its name. Mangoe (talk) 02:44, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I am one of the contributors to this article. I do see that the area has not received significant coverage in reliable sources per WP:NGEO. I have not seen a clear guideline of notability of communities. This community has a Caltrans overhead freeway sign for Exit 68 in both directions on the 101 which is signed as Seacliff. I would be glad to expand the article as the Times article has additional information which includes the railroad siding and industrial area you mention. It is true it will never be a very long article though with only 49 homes. Just a bit of context on the Rincon name. The narrow area between the ocean and steep hills stretching from Rincon Point to the Ventura River is commonly called "The Rincon" in traffic/news reporting and by the County of Ventura in the two cited reports (which sloppily uses Seacliff as one word and as two). This coastal area is also described in Rincon Parkway and the . Note that other sites along the Rincon Coast also have label drift especially with the construction of the freeway. Cheers, Fettlemap (talk) 05:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:38, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:38, 14 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Sources linked above detail aspects such as the place's biology and industry. As it is recognised by the highway authority and people live there, it clearly passes WP:GEOLAND. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GEOLAND as there are several independent sources linked above detail aspects such as the place's biology and industry. I agree with Andrew's assessment. Purosinaloense T/K 11:46, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep While I'm assuming Mangoe found these sources based on their description of the place, this article and this article are substantial articles about the community's development and land ownership, and this article is a long look into the train derailment that happened there in 1991, which also talks about the community itself, and this article describes the evacuation of Seacliff from the same derailment. There's also the newspaper source that's already in the article, and as Fettlemap points out, it's signed as an exit on US 101 (which is actually why I decided to start an article on it in the first place). As far as I'm concerned, this all adds up to both significant coverage and evidence that this is a real community under the name "Seacliff". TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 13:50, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The article has sources. Thank You-RFD (talk) 20:10, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like this is probably a keep per Catalyst31, as there is significant coverage of this site in multiple sources. Hog Farm Talk 22:15, 16 May 2021 (UTC)


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