Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seacourt Pavilion (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was No consensus. Cbrown1023 22:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Seacourt Pavilion

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I'm nominating this article for deletion a second time for several reasons. Delete unless the above concerns are addressed.TheRingess 18:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) The article does not establish the notability of the mall outside of Tom's River Township, New Jersey. Articles in the English language Wikipedia should have a much broader appeal.
 * 2) The information in the article will probably be obsolete within 6 months. Simply due to the fact that the turnover rate for stores in malls can be high.  So an interested editor is going to have to volunteer to periodically check the information and update the article as necessary.
 * 3) Some of the material is promotional in tone.
 * Delete, fails WP:CORP. RGTraynor 20:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per the reasons at the original discussion, Articles for deletion/Seacourt Pavilion. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 19:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - Err ... the two "Weak Keeps" the original discussion had both gave as reasons that the mall was commercially important in the locality. Well, sure, no doubt it would be, but what makes this notable?  RGTraynor 22:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:CORP is the applicable guideline for malls and other businesses. It isn't a public company all by itself, so it isn't on a stock market index.  There is no evidence in the prior AFD, this AFD, or (most importantly) the article that any independent sources have published anything about this.  So it fails the other criteria of WP:CORP.  GRBerry 04:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC) Striking original opinion because I clearly missed the references section.  GRBerry 22:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I can't tell what to do with it based on the sources visible. WP:CORP is the applicable guideline for malls and other businesses. It isn't on a stock market index, and we have no evidence that  it meets the ranking index criteria either.  The link is to a directory entry, so is clearly trivial coverage.  The other stated sources are old enough to not be readily available online, but sources don't need to be online.  The New York Times page number looks odd; what does the RER prefix mean?  I'm guessing one of the regional or special editions, rather than the main paper.  If it is one of the regional editions, that would indicate that the NYT thought it was only of local interest.  If a special edition, I don't know what it means.  The other appears to be in a trade publication, some of which are just paid advertising and some of which are good sources.  I can't tell about this source either, so I don't know what we should do with the article.  GRBerry 22:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep In addition to general philosophical issues I have with these second (and third, and fourth) attempts at deleting articles after failed AfDs, this article provides materials from multiple reliably sourced publications in full compliance with WP:V, WP:RS and WP:CORP that deal directly with Seacourt Pavilion as the primary subject of each of the articles. To address the justifications for this AfD, 1) notability is established per unique feature offered at this mall, 2) There is a very limited number of stores listed, most of those listed are majors and anchors that have made a long-term commitment, and there are more than enough editors who have expressed an interest in maintaining this article to ensure that any changes are reflected, and 3) promotional tone is a wonderful opportunity to dig into the article and make it better, but a very poor (if not invalid) rationalization to delete an article. Alansohn 18:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not convinced that this article has established why the mall is notable outside of New Jersey. I agree with everyone else that it fails WP:CORP.  I see one reference to the New York times that seems to be a simple article about its construction. One other reference is simply a listing in a directory.  The other reference seems to be a magazine that is not notable.  So I see only 1 brief article from 1988 in a major publication.TheRingess 21:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.