Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sean Elo-Rivera


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Bearcat preempts the NPOL/POLOUTCOMES arguments made by later keep voters; they did not provide substantial backing for their claims that San Diego is at the level of other NPOL example cities. On that basis, and the lack of GNG-meeting sources in general, I find their arguments less persuasive, and find a consensus to delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:31, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Sean Elo-Rivera

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BLP about a member of the San Diego City Council. Does not meet WP:NPOL. Mccapra (talk) 13:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 13:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 13:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 13:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete city council members are rarely notable for such. The sourcing does not suggest that Elo-Rivera is one of the extremely rare exceptions to this general guideline.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:23, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing in a BEFORE search indicates this subject passes Wikipedia's notability guideline (WP:N) to have a BLP included. -- A Rose Wolf ( Talk ) 21:45, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. In principle, San Diego is a large and important enough city that some of its city councillors could potentially qualify for articles if they could be substanced and sourced as having significantly nationalized prominence — but it isn't in the narrow range of global cities where just existing as a city councillor is automatically enough in and of itself, and the sourcing and substance here aren't where they would need to be. The notability test for city councillors is not just the ability to source a bit of information about his educational and career background and then technically verify his election to the city council — it requires the ability to write and source genuinely substantive content about his work on the city council, such as specific projects he spearheaded, specific effects he had on the development of the city, and on and so forth. But that's lacking here. Bearcat (talk) 21:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:NPOL as a member of the city council of a regionally and nationally significant city. KidAd   talk  00:23, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:NPOL says “ City councillors and other major municipal officers are not automatically notable, although precedent has tended to favor keeping members of the main citywide government of internationally famous metropolitan areas such as Toronto, Chicago, Tokyo, or London.” I don’t think San Diego is in that category. Mccapra (talk) 07:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Per WP:POLOUTCOMES, “ City councillors and other major municipal officers are not automatically notable, although precedent has tended to favor keeping members of the main citywide government of internationally famous metropolitan areas such as Toronto, Chicago, Tokyo, or London.” The second largest city on the west coast of the United States is internationally famous. Kire1975 (talk)
 * NPOL #2 hinges specifically on whether or not the city is classified as a global city by one or more of the organizations listed in that article as eligible to confer that designation, not just on throwing around assertions of fame like nerf balls. Bearcat (talk) 16:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Bearcat. What is NPOL #2 and where does it say all that?? Kire1975 (talk) 16:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The remaining question is "is San Diego an internationally famous metropolitan area, like Toronto, etc?" That's certainly a judgement call. If so, NPOL is met. If not, available sources don't appear to meet GNG, NPOL, or other notability criteria.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 21:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Sean Elo-Rivera has become the President of the City Council of San Diego, as had the previous City Council President Jennifer Campbell. IvanjelikalAnCom (talk) 22:05, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding to my previous comment: I do believe that the original deletion of this page was more valid back in 2021. However, given his elevated position as president of the city council in 2022, this page should be kept. IvanjelikalAnCom (talk) 22:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)


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