Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sean Harvey (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. SpinningSpark 16:53, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Sean Harvey
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(Note that the original AFD was about a different person of the same name, and is irrelevant to this discussion.) WP:BLP of a smalltown mayor. The municipality in question is not large enough (pop. 40K) to confer an automatic presumption of notability on its mayors, so he has to pass WP:GNG to get an article — but with only two sources being cited (one of them deadlinked, for bonus points), GNG hasn't been fulfilled here. Further, those two sources are supporting a criminal conviction — but given his failure to pass WP:NPOL in the first place, that just makes him a WP:BLP1E rather than a topic of sustained or enduring encyclopedic interest. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 01:00, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 01:04, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 01:04, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar ⨹   02:48, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Notoriety falls under WP:BLP1E. 131.118.229.17 (talk) 21:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What a strange IP. It seems to log on just to vote in scores of AFDs. I have no idea what to make of it. 3rd time I've seen it tonight in one of these AFDs about a mayor.ShulMaven (talk) 01:10, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Sean Harvey was an elected mayor of a Canadian municipality for 6 years. He passes WP:POLITICIAN. He committed fraud while in office. I have added more working citations. He is listed in the List of the youngest mayors in Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scruples98 (talk • contribs) 23:53, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Mayors are not automatically notable under WP:POLITICIAN just because they exist(ed). With a few isolated and specific exceptions for places which are provincial or territorial capitals, and thus have "regional prominence" that's extremely disproportionate to the place's actual size, a place is not even eligible to claim a presumption of notability for its mayors under NPOL until the population is at least 50,000 — and even then a mayor can still be vulnerable to deletion, if the article isn't sourced to the rafters, until the population exceeds 100,000. Get the number of distinct sources here into the double digits, and then maybe we'll talk — but "was a mayor" is not a notability freebie. If the place he was a mayor of isn't one of Canada's 100 largest cities, then you've got exactly two other options: (a) the place is Charlottetown, Yellowknife, Whitehorse or Iqaluit, or (b) WP:GNG it with enough footnotes to choke a small animal. Bearcat (talk) 09:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Bearcat, should cease making up his own numerical rules and standards, as discussed here: . and here, where he asserts that ">3" or ">5" published articles are some sort of official standard for inclusion of an article on Wikipedia.ShulMaven (talk) 21:57, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The "rule" in question is an established precedent, duly created by a broad consensus of users on a myriad of past AFD discussions on comparable topics. I am making up exactly nothing of my own, and I will not tolerate being accused of anything of the sort. Bearcat (talk) 22:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC) Keep Mayor of a city of 40,000 is not automatically notable, but it isn't exactly nothing either. More to the point, his administration of the city and his financial crimes were  widely covered, google: "Sean harvey"  + Vernon. And there was more than one financial fraud, not in our article at present is this article about Harvey's  involvement in the illicit land deals that brought down  solicitor general John Les.ShulMaven (talk) 02:19, 2 December 2014 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 18:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC) Delete per WP:PERP. The argument that he meets WP:POLITICIAN goes beyond precedent for how that policy gets applied, and so I reject it. The argument that WP:BLP1E applies would require me to find Harvey to be a low-profile individual, which strikes me as a dubious claim for an elected politician, and I reject that argument as well. BIO1E might apply but wouldn't necessary recommend deletion. Given that he's not notable except for his crime, PERP would be the most specific and best choice of our guidelines, and nothing above makes a claim that Harvey meets either test of that notability guideline. --j⚛e deckertalk 02:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete &mdash; Joe's spot on: WP:PERP and WP:BIO1E; at best coverage of the person should be on the event/scandal page (if it were notable), but it does not exist. -- slakr \ talk / 09:49, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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