Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sebastian (2011 film)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Userified as User:PF4Eva/Sebastian (2011 film); ok to move back when there are reliable published reviews or other sources .  DGG ( talk ) 23:55, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Sebastian (2011 film)

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Small independent film with no second-party coverage and no evidence of release. It is probably WP:TOOSOON for this article. BOVINEBOY 2008 16:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. Second-party sources right here:


 * http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/36006/dread-centrals-final-girls-lisa-wilcox


 * More recently Wilcox worked on the film Imago and teamed up with several other final girls for the upcoming thriller Sebastian, which is expected to be released this summer [2010].


 * http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/36033/dread-central%E2%80%99s-final-girls-caroline-williams


 * Williams decided to shift gears around 2000, focusing more on her family life than her her acting career. She returned to the horror genre with a small part in Rob Zombie’s 2009 Halloween II (proving once again, she really is the ultimate “Sequels Scream Queen”) and since then filmed Sebastian with fellow final girls Dee Wallace Stone and Meg Foster.

While Williams didn’t want to give away too much on Sebastian, what she could tell us is that the psychological thriller promises to deliver “so many twists and turns that you won’t even know what to expect when you’re watching it.”


 * http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/36091/final-girls-meg-foster


 * Foster, who took a sabbatical from acting for about seven years, is now back working in Hollywood. The actress recently [article is from 2010] completed the thriller Sebastian alongside Williams and Dee Wallace Stone. I asked Foster how it felt to be back in front of the camera.

“I had gone out into the world on my own for a bit,” explained Foster, “but now it feels wonderful to be back to work. It’s really special for me to be working with Caroline again, even though we don’t have any scenes together in Sebastian. But to be on a project with her and Dee is just exciting for me. It felt like home.” Foster tried to give us her take on Sebastian, describing it as “definitely horror, but there is something about Sebastian that is a bit sci-fi with a bit of a karmic flair that makes the film very haunting to watch. That’s all I will say so I don’t give too much away.”


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS3M72UUGp0


 * (March 2, 2010 interview with director Gregori J. Martin, who talks about his projects, including Sebastian.)


 * From the Examiner:


 * Horror, sci-fi, drama, comedy, and now a thriller that Daeg Faerch has been cast for, Sebastian (2010).

Sebastian is an independent thriller film [that was supposed] to be released fall 2010.


 * http://horrornews.net/15325/list-top-10-performances-from-a-child-star-in-horror/ (Daeg is #8)


 * He went on to star in other films such as “Hancock” alongside Will Smith and [Oct. 4, 2010] is going to star in the upcoming horror film “Sebastian” alongside Dee Wallace and Caroline Williams.


 * As for no evidence of release, good luck. It was supposed to be released April 22, 2010, and now who knows when of even if it will be released. It wasn't "too soon" back when the article was first written. Also, there is very little evidence that any Gruntworks films have been released, except Raven is on Netflix, and another film allegedly got a theatrical release from Universal Pictures, according to Gregori J. Martin's MySpace. I say there's enough to keep the article.PF4Eva (talk) 21:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * These "secondary coverage" articles have merely trivial mentions on the film. Is there any coverage of the actual film as the primary content? I haven't found anything. It might be worth merging to another article, perhaps the director or one of the actors, but I don't it has notability for a stand-alone article. BOVINEBOY 2008 18:53, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 01:54, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Incubate for a short time. The article depends heavily on the producer's own twitter page. We have a completed film that has some smattering of coverage, but not enough persistant or in-depth coverage to merit being an exception to WP:NFF as an unreleased film, specially as its release date continues to be postponed. Incubation should be fine. However, per WP:FUTURE and WP:NFF I would also be okay with it being redirected to director Gregori J. Martin, and we can revert the redirect when the thing is actually released. ANd to User:PF4Eva: Your work is not unappreciated. I would ask that you read WP:SIGCOV, WP:RS, and WP:TOOSOON. And I do expect that upon release of far more coverage, the article will be welcomed back quite gladly. And having myself worked with Daeg Faerch in a film, and being aware of his abilities, I anticipate we will have that greater and more in-depth coverage.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 08:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I was thinking it could be redirected to Daeg Faerch, because more people have heard of Daeg than Gregori J. Martin, and more people will recognize it as a Daeg movie. Let's say a film is drected by Joe Jones, but stars Tom Hanks. Nobody knows who Joe Jones is, so you would redirect to Tom Hanks, because everybody knows him. You just never know if an indie is gonna meet its deadline or not. PF4Eva (talk) 17:10, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That would work as well. Perhaps as author, you might consider sourcing something about the film in both those articles? I would gladly support a redirect to either, and a revertion of the redirect when the film is released. (In an aside: as an actor I had heard of Gregori J. Martin long before I worked with Daeg Faerch, but that's only me saying so.)  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:50, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Userfy to sandbox space of User:PF4Eva or incubate as suggested by User:MichaelQSchmidt. Right now the page has exactly one independent source, and that's an interview of one actor in the film. Until film's release, this is all just WP:CRYSTAL and WP:OR (since nobody's seen the film). I have no problem with the page moving to user space or article incubator so that it might be improved when the media has a chance to review and discuss. BusterD (talk) 23:27, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cerejota (talk) 00:28, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 08:08, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Userfy for now. Seems to be gaining steam. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:33, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.