Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sebastian Dalgaard


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The result was   keep. Subject of article appears to have met notability requirements during the course of the AfD debate. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Sebastian Dalgaard

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested based on speculation as to future appearances, which is never grounds for notability. Sir Sputnik (talk) 06:18, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. – Michael (talk) 19:07, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Just made his debut for OKC tonight so he meets WP:NFOOTBALL. Needs improving to meet WP:GNG. – Michael (talk) 01:39, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Player fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played in a fully professional league, nor senior international football. No indication of any other achievements that have garnered sufficient, significant coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. Fenix down (talk) 16:54, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 08:58, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - unnecessary nomination that completely defies WP:COMMONSENSE. If nominator really felt article shouldn't be here yet, they could have simply moved it to DraftSpace. This player has, as far as I can tell, played every minute of Oklahoma City preseason, and has been scoring goals. There's no question that he won't be in the starting line-up when the season starts in the few days. While with some of these recent nominations of USL players, it's somewhat questionable how long before they'll make a fully professional start.  In this case however, short of death or injury, it's going to be 7 PM Central Daylight Time on March 28.  So perhaps any closing admins can simply hold this open for a couple of extra days until 7:01 PM Central Daylight Time on March 28 before wasting our time moving it to Draft Space. Nfitz (talk) 19:45, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Your argument completely defies WP:CRYSTAL. – Michael (talk) 22:26, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't. WP:CRYSTAL notes that Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. In this case we have a player who as far as I can tell has played every minute of the preseason and is scoring goals. It's almost certain that he will be in the opening day line-up and that event would be notable—as such WP:CRYSTAL is not applicable. As this AFD shouldn't normally close until March 26, and the season starts March 28, it's entirely reasonable to simply hold open the AFD for a few extra hours to ensure that he is in the line-up.  Your argument completely defies WP:COMMONSENSE, and you seem to be trying to enforce a non-existent rule. Nfitz (talk) 14:05, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:CRYSTAL also says It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analyses. Predictions, speculation, forecasts and theories stated by reliable, expert sources or recognized entities in a field may be included. So yes your argument does violate the guideline and it also violates WP:OR.  The football project does not keep articles in anticipation of notability.  It's whether or not the player is notable at present time.  And this player is not notable. – Michael (talk) 21:05, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I have inserted no text in an article that constitutes WP:OR. Go read WP:OR it states that Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. There is no content in that article, nor has there ever been, that says he is starting. There has never been a violation of WP:OR and shame on you for suggesting otherwise! To suggest that I've violated WP:OR is a violation of WP:AGF! I'm merely suggesting that we delay closing the AFD for a few hours because it's blatantly obvious that this player will be either starting on March 28th. Also you have commented that WP:CRYSTAL also says It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analyses. Predictions, speculation, forecasts and theories stated by reliable, expert sources or recognized entities in a field may be included. I have no idea why you are commenting about this, because there is not one word in the article that this applies to.  I suggest that you focus on the article here, and apply WP:COMMONSENSE rather than making up untruths about what is in the article! Nfitz (talk) 22:56, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Whether or not WP:CRYSTALL applies here is a moot point, because WP:CONSENSUS very clearly does. This is a perennial issue and has always been decided the same way. The inadmissibility of speculation as to future appearances as a source of notability is one the strongest and long standing consensuses concerning the notability of footballers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:54, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see the relevance of WP:CONSENSUS to my request to wait until 7 PM Central Daylight Time on March 28 to close this discussion, because it was very clear that Dalgaard would be in the starting line-up. I do apologize though, as they don't appear to have started until 7:07 pm. Surely a request to wait a few extra hours to close the AFD is only WP:COMMONSENSE given that it saved us the trouble of undeleting this. What I don't get is why we waste our time deleting a player who very clearly is part of the first team days before the season starts instead of applying WP:NORUSH. Nfitz (talk) 02:04, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 01:09, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep since he now meets NFOOTBALL. That was a big ol waste of time.Cptnono (talk) 18:17, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:NFOOTBALL and has now played in fully professional league .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:41, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
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