Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sebastian Krüger


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  11:24, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Sebastian Krüger

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This article has been unsourced for seventeen years, since it was created in 2004. According to the website of the subject, he is "King and Champion in the World of Art !" and holds two "World Titles": "World's Foremost Caricature Artist." and "World's Premier Rolling Stones Artist"

The article doesn't have any inline footnotes, but has some external links, which disqualifies it from being deleted under BLPPROD. TThe following is a comprehensive list of all URLs ever used in the article, with a brief summary:
 * subject's own website
 * dead link
 * dead link
 * website in Thai
 * dead link
 * dead link
 * dead link
 * dead link
 * dead link
 * subject's gallery (see )
 * subject's own website
 * subject's own website
 * does not mention subject
 * sales website for subject's agent
 * sales website for subject's agent

The subject has published a number of books, none of which appear to have been reviewed in independent, reliable sources.
 * ISBN 9781883398279 Stars
 * ISBN 9781883398613 Stones by Kruger
 * ISBN 9783775705349 Backstage
 * ISBN 9783830333890 Face to Face
 * ISBN 9783830350002 Faces: the art of Sebastian Krüger

There is an unsourced claim in the article that "The Times praised him for "capturing the essence of his subjects" in his renderings", but I've not been able to find that in the Times archive.

According to https://artfacts.net/artist/sebastian-krueger/143226 Krüger’s first exhibition was Sebastian Krüger at Kunsthalle Kühlungsborn in Seebad Kühlungborn in 2005, but I'm unable to verify that; https://kunsthalle-kuehlungsborn.de/ausstellungen/ausstellungen-archiv/ doesn't list it. Artfacts also mentios a solo exhit in the Museum im Kleihues-Bau, but their archive also does not list hom as an exhibitor. https://museum-kleihues-bau.kornwestheim.de/start/ausstellungen/ausstellungsarchiv.html

In summary: I have not been able to find significant coverage of the subject in independent, reliable sources, nor verify that he meats any of our notability criteria for artists. Vexations (talk) 02:03, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Vexations (talk) 02:03, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - I agree with the analyses in the nomination. When I did a BEFORE search, I could find things on another person with the same name, but no sigcov in reliable sources on this caricature artist. The article is written in a very promotional advertorial tone to inflate the claims. If verifiable sources can be found I might consider rethinking my !vote. At this time they do not meet GNG nor NARTIST. Netherzone (talk) 02:22, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete an independent search found no RS.--- Possibly (talk) 02:44, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment All I can find is an interview of him in the German music magazine Rock Hard. He may have more coverage in German sources, but I don't speak German. Brycehughes (talk) 04:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , that same source is in the German version of the article, where it is tone of two footnotes, the other is for Welche Schule für mein Kind? (Which School for my Child) from a supplement to the Hannoverschen Allgemeinen Zeitung where he is listed under Prominente Absolventen (Prominent alumni) as: "Künstler Sebastian Krüger". Vexations (talk) 12:40, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Comment; I'm not sure if they're considered reliable for notability but I've located English-language sources here and here; and German-language sources here and here. There's also a few passing mentions of his paintings being stolen by an unscrupulous dealer. Brycehughs is correct; the sources in German seems to be more reliable. I'll stubify the article and add a few of these. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  18:06, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , https://germanculture.com.ua/famous-germans/sebastian-kruger/ is a copy of one of the many incarnations of his own bio, and San Francisco Art exchange is his dealer. Those are not independent, reliable sources. Journal Frankfurt, on the other hand, is a I/R source. The HAZ doesn't really tell us much about Krüger, so I wouldn't know what claims it would support. Vexations (talk) 19:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Vexations; I'm poor at detecting the provenance of sources but at least I've been able to remove the U-BLP template. There may be more German-language sources on G-news; these showed up on Page 5 for me. I'm neutral on the proposed deletion though. The copyvio you note on the article's talk page should be rev-deleted unless it's suitably licensed. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  01:49, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Need more discussion following Baffle gab1978's cleanup.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:09, 16 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 13:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. See the corresponding German-language article at de:Sebastian Krüger and its references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , The references in the German-language article do not really help, as the first one is unverifiable, and the second two link to the the Wikipedia article for Rock Hard magazine. Netherzone (talk) 18:08, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:25, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Bold third relist due to changes that occurred during discussion.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 23:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, seems notable enough. Cover artist for BAP, trivial mention in same sentence as John Lennon and Rodin, gallery in Der Spiegel, another German RS. —Kusma (talk) 12:53, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * the Rolling Stone source you mentioned says "Per The Guardian, Poole also pilfered pieces by Lennon, German artist Sebastian Krüger and famed French sculptor Auguste Rodin." I guess you are implying that a thief is a potential arbiter of notability. If I rewrite the sentence into something like this, it's clear that the statement does not carry any weight: "Per The Guardian, Poole also pilfered pairs of old socks belonging to Lennon, German artist Sebastian Krüger and famed French sculptor Auguste Rodin." --- Possibly &#9742; 10:34, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * As I said, this is a trivial mention. —Kusma (talk) 12:08, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Apologies! I misread that as "this mention". --- Possibly &#9742; 17:59, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


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