Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Second Battle of Adrianople


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The result was delete. No prejudice to recreation as a redirect. ansh 666 09:41, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Second Battle of Adrianople

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Per the article itself, the Bulgarians "preferred to retreat without a fight", so there was no battle. There was an Ottoman military operation that recovered Adrianople/Edirne, but there is nothing to suggest that any conflict actually happened here. This should be deleted, as the relevant information is already present, in far better form, in the Second Balkan War article. Constantine  ✍  09:06, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I further note that "Second Battle of Adrianople" is a rare name in the literature, at least as determined by GBooks hits. It should also be noted the original redirect of this title was the Battle of Adrianople (378), which is what the handful of GBooks hits would also suggest. The only instance of the title being used for the 1913 event is by Richard J. Evans (!) in one of his books as an image caption, but I would wager good money that this is a result of Wikipedia using the title. Constantine  ✍  09:18, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * Comment - I agree with the nominator, this should be deleted or re-redirected to the 378 battle. What occurred in 1913 could be written about in depth under the title, "Occupation of Adrianople". If someone wanted to touch up the article a bit with an eye towards a renaming along those lines, I would support that. Also, the idea that this is the "second something" could be based on Enver Pasha calling himself "Second conquerer of Edirne" (the first coming in the 1360s) as a result of the war - but that still doesn't mean this title makes any sense as applied to what happened on July 21, 1913. Smmurphy(Talk) 13:31, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete (or repurpose). The account of the Ottoman intervention in the Second Balkan War is much better given in that article.  It might be legitimate to have a separate article on that.  We seem to get quite a lot of articles whose function seems to be for the author to use a battles infobox, even in cases where there was a confrontation but no fighting.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm adding a !vote just so that there isn't any confusion that I support a such an outcome. I'm happy with a redirect to the 378 battle, but there is nothing here to merge that isn't in other articles about the Balkan War and anyone searching for the 378 battle is likely to have no problem finding it without a redirect. Smmurphy(Talk)


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