Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Second Lady of South Africa


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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 20:22, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Second Lady of South Africa

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"Second Lady of South Africa" appears to be a made-up title. No sources for the title are provided, no official reference is found and a google search turns up only 19 hits -- all related to WP mirrors. (Note: Although this term was speedy deleted last year as a hoax, I'm creating an AFD this time to gain consensus of opinion.) — Cactus Writer (talk) 17:30, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. —  Cactus Writer (talk) 17:39, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. —  Cactus Writer (talk) 17:39, 18 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - I also couldn't find any hits on this. London Hall (talk) 19:03, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - as per nom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gbawden (talk • contribs) 06:07, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is not a notability claim in and of itself — every single person in this list, with just one exception, has an article because they got "promoted" from "Second Lady" to First Lady, not because "Second Lady" per se, and even the one exception is (a) a person who still has another notability claim besides "second ladydom" itself, and (b) a man. And even the sources don't use the phrase "second lady" at all — they verify the names of people listed here, but neither of them identifies their subject as a former "second lady" at all. Just because the United States treats "second lady" as an actual concept within its political culture doesn't mean every other country on earth automatically gets the same treatment — we would need to see sources which actually identified and discussed "Second Lady of South Africa" as a thing before we could keep an article about it or a list of the purported second ladies. And even if better sourcing could be found to actually keep this, we would still have to move it to an ungendered title given that there's a man listed in it. Bearcat (talk) 18:12, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - I didn't really fair any better. Agree with the above that this would need sources treating the subject explicitly and in depth, and not just the application of a general concept to a particular group of people, which is probably well into WP:OR territory.  G M G  talk   18:18, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per all editors above, the title seems not to be used at all in sources. Sam Sailor 13:17, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


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