Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Second inauguration of Nayib Bukele (2nd nomination)


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The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Nayib Bukele. To be clear, Dclemens1971's comments and research have established the notability of this topic. However, there is consensus in the discussion below that there is no need for a standalone article for what can be concisely covered at Nayib Bukele.  Malinaccier ( talk ) 02:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Second inauguration of Nayib Bukele
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The maintenance tag claiming sources exist. However, most of the sources are not about the inauguration but the current affairs of nation that is covered in 2024_Salvadoran_general_election and Nayib_Bukele, i.e.. There is nothing much at least in the English sources about the preparation of the event, what transpired during the event, and any post event celebrations, with exception of a bombing plot, and a protest in Chicago, both of which can be easily tucked into 2024_Salvadoran_general_election. – robertsky (talk) 12:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of El Salvador-related deletion discussions. – robertsky (talk) 12:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Politics.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Speedy redirect/merge to Nayib_Bukele. Don't make articles just for the sake of making articles. Inaugurations do not automatically need a standalone page. Reywas92Talk 17:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This is an acceptable outcome in lieu of an outright deletion. – robertsky (talk) 04:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. I haven't even delved into the Spanish sources but there is lots of WP:RS WP:SIGCOV in English alone, including of the event itself (Deutsche Presse-Agentur, AP, Al Jazeera), guests (MercoPress, Politico, Deseret News, Xinhua), international reactions (AP), plus the bomb plot (AP, Reuters) mentioned by the nominator. I'm sure there's even more in Spanish. Now that the event has happened, there's plenty of coverage to support a standalone page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * On the sources you have raised here:
 * Deutsche Presse-Agentur, AP, Al Jazeera these are some of what I referred to when I wrote most of the sources are not about the inauguration but the current affairs of nation. If it is about the event itself, I would expect significant coverage about the event itself and not a majority of the content of each source about the state of affairs in the country, his management style, and the challenges ahead for him or the country.
 * Guest list is the least of consideration for notability of the event. Notability is not inherited, nor this page should be a guest list as well, which some had tried to turn this page into (see WP:NOTDIR and also WP:INDISCRIMINATE). Nothing in the sources here (MercoPress, Politico, Deseret News, Xinhua) is of anything significant about the event except that 'X had attended".
 * (AP) that is an reaction to the president's management in his term (in my opinion, might be worthy of a split from his main article if extended further).
 * bomb plot. further details than what has been provided currently is required. otherwise by itself, it is a news report.
 * – robertsky (talk) 00:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Like any good news source, the coverage will situate the event in its context. In fact, under WP:NEVENTS, such sources should be "in-depth coverage [that] includes analysis that puts events into context." Each article I cited devotes several paragraphs (up to half the article) specifically to inaugural events and the rest to the context. As for guests, inauguration pages on WP almost universally cover international guest attendance. See (as just a few examples) Inauguration of Lai Ching-te, Second inauguration of Goodluck Jonathan, Inauguration of Bernardo Arévalo, and so forth. (And every source I provided is WP:RS for this kind of news and provides significant coverage of the attendance and the dynamics around it.) Finally, the alleged bomb plot was part of the preparations for the inauguration and belongs in such an article. Unless you're trying to say that presidential inaugurations are inherently non-notable topics, in which case you need to propose an SNG, it's clear that this subject clears the tests imposed by WP:GNG and WP:NEVENTS. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no need for a separate SNG. The entire WP:NEVENTS has to be taken into consideration, not just the coverage of the event. Coverage is a given, after all it is a planned event directly after the election:
 * Points to consider:
 * Is there a lasting effect from the inauguration as an event? None so far.
 * Is there a significant impact of the inauguration as an event? None so far.
 * What's the depth of the coverage of the event? Surface level. What was the planning? What happened during the inauguration? Who/What agencies were involved in the planned? Why was there a change in the venue? What was said during the inauguration. As argued before, the analysis is already written for in the general elections page, and the inauguration is the result of the general election. There is no need for a separate article as such.
 * What's the duration of the coverage? Immediate after the event, no further news coverage that I can find in the 7 days since the inauguration.
 * What's the diversity of sources? Diverse but same set of talking points.
 * And with respect to inauguration as a planned event. Is the coverage a routine coverage? Yes. One would expect major news outlets to cover a planned national level event as part of their routine news cycle.
 * As for the other inauguration pages, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. But if I may, these pages are likely going to be evaluated in the same manner for AfD. – robertsky (talk) 04:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Consider:
 * 1/2. Is there a lasting effect/significant impact from the inauguration? Bukele remains president, so yes. The swearing-in is required under the constitution and thus it has an ongoing effect. The election is the predicate for this event, but it is not identical to the inauguration and it has no effect if the inauguration does not take place according to constitutional procedure. (This is
 * 3. See below in my comments on the Spanish language sources, but the depth of coverage is sufficient to meet this test.
 * 4/5. We are 10 days out from the event, which NEVENTS makes clear is not too soon for an event to become notable. But the event has been covered beyond the initial day or two of news, and it has been covered in a variety of sources in both English and Spanish, with both straight news and opinion coverage. NPR discusses the inauguration's influence on the Biden administration's immigration policy. LoveFM provides skeptical coverage of Belizean participation in the inauguration. Semafor covered the inauguration in light of Claudia Sheinbaum's election in Mexico.
 * 6. It definitely goes beyond routine coverage with substantial detailed mentions in the U.S. political press as well as the press in Spain. It's not just wire services and Salvadoran press covering this.
 * (P.S. Please read carefully: I didn't cite the other inauguration pages as an OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument for notability of this subject. I cited them to point out that these types of pages generally cover international guests, which demonstrates a longstanding consensus that guests are a significant aspect of inaugurations. Thus, WP:RS coverage of inauguration guests contributes to the notability of the subject matter.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 07:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: How much has the article really changed since its previous iteration? I still do think this was recreated by a certain LTA block evading, though I can't say for certain. jellyfish &#9993; 04:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The infobox remained the same; all sections you see now were there as well, unfilled; the international guests section was unfilled (naturally, since it was before the event).
 * This is the lead in the last deleted revision for evaluation:
 * The Second inauguration of Nayib Bukele as president of El Salvador will take place on Saturday, 1 June 2024, in the El Salvador Chamber of Deputies in San Salvador. The inauguration will mark the commencement of the four-year term of Bukele as president and Félix Ulloa as vice president. The inauguration will mark the formal culmination of Bukele's presidential transition that began after he won the 2024 Salvadoran presidential election held on 4 February 2024. – robertsky (talk) 04:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've provided numerous English-language secondary and reliable sources upthread that provide significant coverage of this event. Further search finds numerous Spanish-language sources as well: Stories in La Prensa Grafica interviewing a historian on symbolism in the ceremony, on the economic and social aspects of Bukele's inaugural address, on international reactions to the inauguration, critiquing Catholic Church participation in the ceremony, and protests by Salvadoran expats at several embassies around the world, plus detailed coverage in Spain's El Pais:, . Despite the nominator's determination to reject every source presented thus far, at this point we have an abundance of multiple language/country/types of sources to validate the notability of this topic and I'm going to leave the discussion to other editors to review. Dclemens1971 (talk) 08:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So maybe write an article with them then? We do not need a standalone article that says nothing except that he was inaugurated (WP:NOPAGE). Even if there are sources toward notability, all of these can certainly be included in in Nayib_Bukele or 2024_Salvadoran_general_election, and then WP:SPLIT when appropriate and warranted. Presidency of Nayib Bukele would also be an appropriate split, which would include info about inaugurations. Reywas92Talk 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Frankly I don't have time to write that article, but WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP so if the sources support notability, we keep. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So we're not deleting, we're merging this measley three sentences while remaining open to a split if/when there is more content. "if the sources support notability, we keep" is downright false because you could use sources to establish notability on many, many things Bukele or other politicians do, but we have WP:NOPAGE and editorial discretion to cover notable topics within the context of other topics. Here, we can cover this topic with these sources in the context of these closely related articles, and we don't need a separate article just to list a few attendees. There a lot of heads of state around the world now and in history, all of whose inaugurations were covered in the media, but very simply we do not inherently need separate pages for these concepts just because sources exist. Reywas92Talk 21:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No one has created pages for other inaugurations yet, so we're not having arguments about those pages (WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST). Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect or delete per other's reasoning, and partly on WP:BANREVERT. It is a nice honeypot for the sock. No prejudice to recreation if someone wants to actually create a real article as the event is notable. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 20:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect or delete per Classicwiki. Almost entirely written by socks and obvious anon socks. Wikishovel (talk) 05:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


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