Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Security Industry Association


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 04:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Security Industry Association

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 * This page, and Securities Industry Association which redirects to it, queried speedy delete "blatant copyrights violations from a page on the SIA's former website, available at ". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless it is "selfcopyvio", i.e. the same man or company set up this page and the external page. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I've been working on this article for quite a while and invested quite a bit of time in it. To summarize a little, the history of the page is the history of the page as it existed under the name, apparently from the start, of Securities Industry Association. The latter trade association was, until 2006, the organ of the securities industry, more specifically the equities (stock) market. In that year, it merged with a bond-oriented org. to form Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association. I came at the article from the securities side and quickly, maybe more than once over recent years, noted and tried to correct the naming mistake. However I've never been able to just change the name due at least in part to my unfamiliarity with that Wiki process.

Anyway, in the recent history, one sees that the article, under (finally; or simultaneously to the inception of) the correct name, was in effect immediately deleted for "blatant copyright violation." I made a near-discouraged plea and the deletion was reversed and we're now just a candidate for deletion. One cannot, it seems, access the old talk page of the old Securities Industry Association page, where the course of the odyssey-to-date could be more fully tracked. Bits of it exist here, here, here, and here.

I'm not able to contribute to the article itself right now -- the discouraged/exhausted aura hovers, despite the boost from the temporary respite -- but since getting into this I've heard more about the book The Music of the Primes: Searching to Solve the Greatest Mystery in Mathematics (HarperCollins, 2004) by mathematician Marcus du Sautoy. It seems, now that I look, that neither the book or the author have made it to Wiki yet, but one Amazon customer review, quoting the book, says "'The story of the primes spreads well beyond the mathematical world' from quantum physics to computer security. With respect to computer security, 'The primes now affect all our lives as they protect the world's electronic secrets from the prying eyes of Internet hackers'" [my emphasis]. That's part of what I'd heard about the book. I think the trade org. for the security industry (which includes computer security) ought to have an article.

A couple of specifics.
 * Would proper footnoting to "SIA's former website" at archive.org be sufficient, maybe with quoteblock, to "clear" the offending content and set the stage for the article to go forward organically, perhaps with advisory template(s)?
 * Second, on the above-mentioned old talk page of the old Securities Industry Association page, I think it was, where discussion was proceeding about my name-change proposal, I worked out the template to refer inquiries about the Securities Industry Association to the successor SIFMA page. If that template could be retrieved, I'd appreciate it. It would of course be better than having Securities Industry Association redirect here. Maybe a reflexive template at SIFMA would be wise, too, since maintaining the distinction is difficult.

I'll rest my case with that for now. I expect I'll try at least to convert the Primes bit into a contribution to the article fairly soon. I am going to cross-post this input to my own user talk page because it looks like this page could disappear as part of one process or another going forward.

I do apologize for not immersing in all the relevant Wikipedia procedures. I know I've caused at least some inconvenience to fellow editors in the process. But I'm trying to bring what I can to the table at each step in the interests of the encyclopedia.

Thanks for past and continuing attention. Swliv (talk) 18:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, blatant copyright violation from since its creation. Irrespective of the notability of subjects (or lack thereof), we simply cannot accept copyright violations. Attribution of the entire article as a direct quotation is insufficient to remedy the copyright infringement, as the extensive use of non-free text is incompatible with the brevity required by Non-free content. Peter Karlsen (talk) 18:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:17, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.