Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sega Pluto


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect and merge to Sega Saturn. Non-admin closure. § FreeRangeFrog croak 17:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Sega Pluto

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no reliable sources, just a blog, not notable without the sources Karl 334   Talk-  -Contribs  21:42, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect and Merge to Sega Saturn. A basic Google search on "Sega Pluto" reveals that this unreleased gaming console is receiving coverage in various media outlets (e.g. ).  Because reliable news sources have picked up on the claim, it can receive a mention.  However, there's really not that much that can (or should) be said about the matter in an encyclopedic treatment of the subject, particularly as a discussion forum posting is at the source of the claim.  One or two sentences mentioning this unreleased successor to the Sega Saturn within the context of that article should be sufficient.  If more reliable information (e.g. technical specifications) and corresponding coverage in reliable sources were to come to light in the future, I would have no prejudice against the article being recreated. --Mike Agricola (talk) 22:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  czar   &middot;   &middot;  23:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions.  czar   &middot;   &middot;  23:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - Well, this nomination is a terrible failure of WP:BEFORE, as there are plenty of reliable sources on this. However, Im still unsure of whether or not there is enough to warrant a "keep", or if it should be a "merge/redirect" to the respective Sega consoles. Sergecross73   msg me   03:02, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge to Sega Saturn. While there are some sources, there's not a great deal of information, and it seems to be simply a slight variant of the Saturn with networking functionality. Every variation of a product doesn't need a separate article, particularly if it's never released. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:02, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Sega Saturn. All of the usable sources refer to the same leak. There isn't even enough conclusive agreement on whether it's real. Even as vaporware (if the prototype is indeed one of two), there isn't enough information available to support an encyclopedia article. Merge and incubate in the Saturn's article, and if it can graduate to its own, fare thee well. czar   &middot;   &middot;  13:06, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge - There's not enough information for a stand-alone article, but there's plenty of sources on this, so it would probably be better as a subsection in the Sega Saturn article. Sergecross73   msg me   13:50, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge. As everyone said above, it's an unreleased version of a souped-up successor to the Saturn.  So onto the Saturn page it should go.  --ip.address.conflict (talk) 18:52, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - There are clearly several non-blog RSes available on this topic. Hoax or no, deletion should be off the table completely. With the available RSes, the article meets the minimum requirements for a standalone article in my view. Of course there's no requirement that all articles meeting the minimum reqs require a stand-alone article, though. A consensus-based decision to merge would be fine, though I'd really have preferred to see that discussion take place at WP:PM not at Article for Deletion. As Sergecross73 said above, a little WP:BEFORE would have gone along way here. The nom was fatally flawed from the start. -Thibbs (talk) 20:28, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge. If there wasn't already an obvious parent article, I'd agree with you. However, since there is, it's probably better served in the context of Sega Saturn than being a pointlessly split stub. Ubcule (talk) 21:04, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Sega Saturn. Doesn't need a separate article. — Joaquin008  ( talk ) 07:30, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.