Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Segger Microcontroller Systems (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus, particularly on whether the sources found are sufficient material to establish notability. — TKD::Talk 08:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Segger Microcontroller Systems
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Previously deleted at AfD, was recreated a month later by a user (Info@segger-us.com) with a clear conflict of interest. Subject doesn't seem to be notable (whilst hits on Google are not the most accurate, a basic search gives about 13,000 results; however, if you whittle this down to exclude press releases, the company's own websites, and listings on vendor websites then you are left with fewer than 1000). Google news gives two hits &mdash; both press releases. The text of the article is also written such that it sounds like an advertisement. At first glance the article appears to be referenced, but one is a fleeting mention in a how-to tutorial, another is a press release written by the company itself (another quick look shows that the other two references are in promotional materials from the company or its associates). Angus Lepper(T, C, D) 16:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: even the nicely whittled down search has a lot of press releases.  I went through the first 20+ hits:  each was a vendor advertisement, trade journal, or press release.  Too bad there isn't a Consumer Reports for the embedded system industry.... —EncMstr 06:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. This company has been around for nearly two decades and has made partnerships with the likes of Mitsubishi Europe.  As it happens I don't want to produce a microcontroller-based product that has a built-in graphical user interface, but it's possible that I could in the future and if that happens then I'm likely to hear about, and want to read neutral information about, this company. --Tony Sidaway 18:44, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep based on the links there and this one Corpx 03:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Question: what is the significance of the Alacra link? It appears to be merely a $10 software product.  —EncMstr 06:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it is $10 to view the article :) Corpx 14:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you summarise why it establishes notability? It seems to be a report on imports of their products to the UK. Angus Lepper(T, C, D) 17:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm dont think I'm going to shell out $10 to view the article, but the title, and the small blub or google new suggests to me that this article gives significant coverage Corpx 17:18, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Looking again, the article to which you linked has a word count of 99. I don't think that you can get much significant coverage in that. I'm presuming that it's little more than "Segger Microcontroller Systems, based in Germany, have announced that they will begin shipping their LCD line of products to the UK" tagged on to a brief introduction to the company. Angus Lepper(T, C, D) 17:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I think 99 words is sufficient to qualify as "significant coverage", if it indeed does provide significant coverage.  Maybe somebody who has access to this article can enlighten us on the contents Corpx 17:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete: tenuous notability at best.  If it has indeed been around for 20 years, there should be a long list of breakthroughs, accomplishments, and the like.  The main products appear to be embOS and emWin:  neither product is notable, merely competitive.  —EncMstr 06:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * keep. Satisfies WP:ORG - ,independent reviews exist. `'Míkka 17:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong delete and salt if spam continues -- We've been through this once before, and now a blatantly WP:COI account is trying to re-insert the same material. There are no reliable sources and no assertions of notability -- those who claim notability should do more than a cursory check of ghits.  Subject is no more notable now than when it was deleted before; the only thing I can find are press releases and vendor sites.  Considering the article has been re-created by Info@segger-us.com and reads like an advertisement, it should go post haste. /Blaxthos 18:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * weak delete (again): This company is notable in its field, but sources still are a problem. this source used on the article appears to be written by Segger: "To help developers beat their timelines and development costs, we created emWin, the most efficient and comprehensive set of graphics libraries available today."  Most of their products were mentioned in a buyers guide in this pdf (5M) of the April 06 Embedded Systems Engineering. John Vandenberg 01:19, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 01:19, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.