Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Selena Du


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The result was   delete. J04n(talk page) 11:25, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Selena Du

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The verifiability is very low: most sources link to unrelated articles and/or are unreliable. Looks very much like it’s a fake. - Хтосьці (talk) 09:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Nominated for deletion in russian wikipedia too (here; author has removed ruwiki link from wikidata and trying to remove this discussion). See also Talk:Selena Du. OneLittleMouse (talk) 23:01, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:22, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Detailed comment on each source
Let me comment on source one-by-one:


 * 1) In the first source, Selena Du is listed among the top three in ATV Miss Asia Pageant. This was added recently, and it looks reliable.
 * 2) data.ent.sina.com.cn/star/24469.html Placed as is to support "Du highly values charity causes and engage herself in public social activities", but the article linked is very terse on such activity: 热衷于公益活动 (interested in public benefit). However, the linked article does mention some facts: position of UN Goodwill Ambassador (个人简介：联合国慈善大使), visiting many countries (个人简介：曾访问过世界20多个国家), Russian background (民族: 俄罗斯族), fact that she is an actress, singer, TV host and model (职业：演员 歌手 主持人 模特). I’m not sure about the reliability of the source though, because the site is user-editable (link «我要编辑» allows to edit the data).
 * 3) Article in Oriental Daily News, but the article says information is taken from Mainland websites so it may be unreliable. It’s very short, so I’ll give my attempt at translation (my Chinese is not very good, so please correct me if I’m mistaken somewhere; however, I believe I’ve understood the overall meaning; parenthesed text are my comments): "Although the 21-year-old Selena Du was disqualified by ATV (? 被亞視取消參選資格), she orignially had good connections: according to mainland news sites, her paternal grandfather was a military strategist in the former Soviet Union, Selena Du grew in family with higher education, and has since childhood took part in public competitions and literary plays (文藝演出), and also once took part in CCTV performance (? 表演). After growing up, she also took part in beauty contests, in 2010 she took part in Miss Globe International" and achieved the title "image ambassador" (形象大使), in the same years also became the United Nations Goodwill Ambassador (? 聯合國慈善大使); in 2011 she participated in "Miss Asia Pageant North America", recieving the title "The most photogenic miss" (? 最上鏡小姐), and also became "Miss Asia" winner in American region. When Selena Du was a TV host, she interviewed (? 訪問) US ex-president Clinton, NBA star Kobe Bryant and the others; [she is] really impressive, ATV aspect (? 方面) also testifies news related to this (? 亦證實相關消息)."
 * 4) The fourth link, www.svief.org/2012/english/yqjb/dy.htm is located on a site of a Silicon Valley Technology Innovation & Enterpreneurship Forum (高创会), an international Chinese-English Conference. Selena Du is listed in the "SVIEF Organizing committee" list . The wiki article links to a JS-openable window, most likely to hide the fact that the site is about a completely unrelated event so most likely they didn’t take the job of verifying the facts very seriously. It doesn’t look like a reliable source. Also, there are some doubts about the information presented: e.g., Mar del Plata Film Festival doesn’t seem to have a "Best New Actress" nomination.
 * 5) The fifth link is an internet forum, so it is not a reliable source. Moreover, the post at forum is about a Chinese-American Film festival. The article says that a UN Goodwill ambassador Selena Du took part in the opening ceremony and press conference of Chinese-Amercian film festival and that she attended some charitable event. This forum post says nothing about the facts it is given after: nothing about Selena being born in Milan, nothing about her singing and dancing, nothing about ballet and Ulanova or Beijing Dance Academy. It is completely irrelevant!
 * 6) The sixth link is a blog post with the same information as the previous forum post. It is also completely irrelevant to the information and is not a reliable source.
 * 7) The 7th link contains information (again) on Chinese-American Film festival. Selena Du is mentioned only once (again, the translation is mine): "UN Goodwill Ambassador Selena Du said in pressconference that she is very happy to take part in this festival's opening ceremony and get to know more people from film world. As a novice, she hopes to be able to get her products on screens as soon as possible." (联合国慈善大使杜悦在新闻发布会上表示，很高兴参加这次电影节开幕式，并认识更多的电影界人士. 作为新人，她希望能够早日让自己的作品登上银幕. 中国国家广电总局电影管理局局长童刚率领中国代表团参加此次电影节. ). This is '''completely irrelevant to the sentence in the Wikipedia article it is intended to support (Du has showed interest in performing art at a very young age). Also, the article is written by Selena Du herself.
 * 8) The eights link is an interview with Selena Du as a host of Mobile Game Conference (移动游戏大会) in Sichuan. It is also mentioned that she is Miss Asia and UN Goodwill Ambassador. In the interview, Selena speaks only about the Conference-related issues, there is no information to support the claims in the article: nothing about China National Swim Team, nothing about Nie Zhongming's commenting Selena's voice.
 * 9) The ninth link is a complete re-write of the Oriental Daily News I've translated above (source #3). It supports the claims about military strategist, but it is mostly irrelevant and doesn't give any information about Selena's brother or Selena's father's education in Princeton.
 * 10) The tenth link is an article about Miss Asia contenst. Selena Du is named the winner of the American West Coast contest. Again, this citation is irrelevant and doesn’t prove statements about Selena’s travelling with her parents or visiting different countries.
 * 11) The eleventh link is an article about Selena's participation in Miss Asia and being awarded "most photogenic" award. It is irrelevant to the statement is is given after, however, it does prove some information from other parts of the article: that she started dance, music and violin training at the age of 7 (something source 7 failed to prove) and that she likes travelling.
 * 12) The twelfth link tells about Selena Du at Silicon Valley Technology Innovation & Enterpreneurship Forum (高创会). Also completely irrelevant to the text of the article: nothing about visiting children in Africa and Central America, nothing about Time in Aba, nothing about children recieving edication with her support.
 * 13) The 13th source is a link to Douban, another user-generated site. Funnily enough, it is also irrelevant because doesn’t it says nothing about Selena’s role in Sofia. Also, on Douban the film is named not 假如 Gáyùh, but as 如果 Yùhgwó (both words mean "if"), and the director and years don’t coincede.

What concens me is:
 * The contributor doesn’t seem neutral. E.g. my [which?] tag requiring to add the list of brands and magazines she modeled for was silently removed.
 * A contributor Audreylomberg has deleted all my [citation needed], [unreliable source] and [not in citation given tags] and lied on the talk page that "the sources and references are valid and relevant". As can be seen from the information above, this is an obvious lie.
 * Citations seem to be put at random, their only relation with the text of the article is the fact Selena is mentioned there.

Most sources state that she is UN Goodwill Ambassador, but I can’t find any information in the UN website, so, after seeing so much lies, I'm not sure even this one is true.

Even if this were not a real disinformation but an error or some kind of misunderstanding... Should the article so full of errors exist? Хтосьці (talk) 20:17, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Moscow Connection (talk) 13:05, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment
 * This most probably self-published and completely unreliable source seems to tell some truth. (More or less, there are many strange unbelievable things like "famous strategist", etc.) It looks like she did become Miss Photogenic in the 2010 Miss Asia North America pageant. She also won the 2012 Miss Asia West Coast contest and was going to represent USA in the final of the notable ATV Miss Asia 2012 Pageant that took place earlier in 2013, but was withdrawn from it. This unrelable forum links all the photos from the official website of ATV. As you can see, the girl number 15 was Selena Du at the time when the forum thread was started, but later the ATV website removed her and switched the picture. The official site of the Miss Asia 2012 contest is here.
 * As Хтосьці noticed, this article seems to be written by Selena Du herself. She simply wrote about the film festival and someone took pictures of her with famous people who participated.
 * But there are other Chinese-language sources that seem to be about her.
 * You can't write the article as it is right now using the sources. As Хтосьці noticed, the sources say something completely different from the sentences they pretend to source. But you can definitely write something short and attempt to prove her notability.
 * As far as I can see, the photos in the article are indeed photos of Selena Du.
 * All the movies in her filmography are linked to some other movies by mistake. She is certainly not in Volver. But her article says it's a 2011 movie directed by Jaime Fisher and not by Almodovar, so it's simply a mistake by whoever wrote the article.
 * At least one movie, "哺乳期的女人" by Yang Yazhou (杨亚洲), exists and is notable. But if she is in it, her role is probably minor cause I can't find it even in the article about the movie in user-generated Baidu Encyclopedia. The article lists only the main characters, though.
 * In short, Selena Du does exist, the article seems to be an amateur attempt to add her to Wikipedia and not a professional disinformation campain. But I don't know whether she is notable by Wikipedia standards. I don't think she "is well-known among the Asian population across the world" as the article claims, but she may be notable.
 * --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:35, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. She's number 6 in this YouTube video: Tiffany Tin-Miss Asia Pageant 2011 SF-Part I & II 亞洲北美小姐選美. She exists. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:40, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify your link, here is the link to precise time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89cw0O9Fib8&feature=youtu.be&t=5m40s However, the problem is not - if she exists or not, the problem whether the information in the article is true, and whether this woman should be included in Wikipedia. So far looks very suspicious. For example, it is written, that "she also holds the 2012 Miss Asia US Division title", but in the link she is just listed as a contestant. And I don't like that a notice about the article deletion already was removed three times by User:Audreylomberg and User:Georgegreat Bor75 (talk) 23:47, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * She's not just listed as a contestant here. If you move your mouse over her pic, it says "冠軍" (champion), the one on the left is "亞軍" (first runner-up), the one on the right is "季軍" (second runner-up). As Хтосьці said above, she is also named the winner here in this news article (her Chinese name is Du Yue). --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I didn’t notice that mouseover javascript because my internet connection is slow and it just didn’t have time to load. Хтосьці (talk) 13:35, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone  02:53, 16 May 2013 (UTC)



I don’t see any chance to reach consensus with the contributors of Selena Du article as they seem to ignore this page... Хтосьці (talk) 07:31, 17 May 2013 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 23:47, 24 May 2013 (UTC)




 * Delete - the analysis of the sources doesn't fill me with hope and the article itself contains no real claim that would suggest the subject is notable. The family background is a bit pointless and the charity stuff wouldn't seem to constitute anything that would confer notability. The filmography doesn't seem to include any major or significant roles in notable films. Happy to consider anything of relevance but having done my own search, I couldn't find anything that would be considered significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Stalwart 111  05:28, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete The sources do not indicate a sufficient level of notability. Stormbay (talk) 01:48, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
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