Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Semi-arminianism


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The result was   redirect to Arminianism. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:56, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-arminianism

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The term Semi-Arminianism does not have representation in WP:RS and is not notable. ReformedArsenal (talk) 17:34, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * A glance at the Google Books search results linked above would appear to refute that statement. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:25, 21 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment -- The term seems to refer to a legitimate theological position. It may be a term used by others, rather than themselves: I do not know.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:27, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep GBooks shows the availability of sources. As Peterkingiron suspects, I doubt anyone describes themselves as this, but rather i's a description used in controversy. The amount of controversy over topics such as this in the  past is perhaps hard for us to realize, but this and related subjects were the main intellectual interest of Europe for many centuries .   DGG ( talk ) 00:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The "semi-Arminianism" described in those older sources seems to be a quite different theological point of view from the subject of this article (which, as noted below, is actually Free Grace theology). -- 101.119.15.200 (talk) 10:19, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


 * There are plenty of sources found by the Google Books search linked above showing that a historical theological position known as "semi-Arminianism" is notable, but I am not convinced that that is the same as the more recently advanced position described in our article, rather than just sharing the name. It would take someone with a better knowledge of Christian theology than I have to decide that. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:53, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 04:12, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. I doubt that the "semi-Arminianism" in older sources is relevant to this article, which discusses the theological position of Dave Hunt and others (sometimes called OSAS Arminianism). I think that's probably a notable position, though adherents would not call it "semi-Arminianism." That means that the article may need another title as well as some sources. -- 101.119.15.200 (talk) 09:52, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Free Grace theology. On closer examination, the subject of this article (the theological position of Charles Stanley and others) is actually Free Grace theology. Nothing in the article (not even my recent addition) is worth merging into that (much better) article. -- 101.119.15.200 (talk) 10:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think that a redirect would be appropriate if most sources that use the term, as shown by a Google Books search, are referring to a different meaning. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:25, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Arminianism. The other candidates for redirection describe a particular instance of this idea, so the more general target is better. The article Arminianism already describes several variations in that theological position. It's not necessary to have a separate article for every shade of a belief, and the article even says this is a subtype of Arminianism. The views of the various churches and theologians mentioned in this article could be discussed in the parent article (I'm not convinced there's anything worth merging.) --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Good idea. -- 101.119.14.85 (talk) 09:56, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:01, 7 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Arminianism. This topic does not receive sufficient coverage to warrant an article of its own (google turns up only 2,000 or so results), we can easily add this article's whole contents to the larger page. Jinkinson (talk) 02:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. The only source given in the article doesn't mention this term. The term is used a fair amount in 19th century Gbooks, but not in the way this article uses it. My sense is these books are not referring to a actual theological school of thought. The term was more of a way to caste aspirations, a shorthand to suggest that someone was too friendly to the doctrine of free will. Allah is an akbar (talk) 05:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
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