Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sena Cases


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. alpha Chimp (talk) 03:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Sena Cases
Contested prod - No evidence that this company or its products meet WP:CORP
 * Delete as per my nom.  Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  10:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Difficult - it gets a quarter of a million google hits, has a decent alexa rating, and has quite a few reviews of its products on palm-related sites  RN 10:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There seem to be 267 distinct Ghits, many from blogs etc. The links above are interesting reviews of the product, but I don't see that they make the company itself meet WP:CORP. Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  10:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete yeah, you are right - it does look like it fails WP:CORP and has to go. I tried to find if it was used to calculate stock indexes but came up empty... RN 09:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

I saw that you did not like my post :) This is a real nice company with lots of cool pda and smartphone cases. It is one of the elading companies in the PDA case market and is appreciated by many users. A simple Google search for "sena cases" returns about 261,000 results in my computer which I believe is a sufficient indicator of the size and penetration of teh company. Here are a few further pointers for you if you want to see more:


 * About.com article About.com's article about Sena products
 * Pocket Pc Magazine article
 * Gizmodo article

The WP:Corp says the following: "The company or corporation has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the company itself." Furthermore, it says any of the rules and I strongly believe that it satisfies this criteria if not the others. I believe about.com, pc magazine and gizmodo among many others are sufficiently independent and well established publishers.

There are many more articles from many different publishers in addition to lots of interviews with the founders. I will leave the Google work to you.

By the way, I am not affiliated with the company in any way. I am just a PDA Geek who thinks Sena Rocks! :)
 * Comment Hi, it looks like a nice PDA case and your posts were fine. I merged the info about the cases themselves into the article on Personal digital assistant.  What we're discussing here is the importance of the company which makes them.  The above reviews are of the cases rather than the company.  If there are Web articles about the company itself I've missed them - post them here or on my talk page and I'll take a look. PS I have followed the links from the article itself - one of my motivations for nominating the article was that as of 2003 it looked like there was a handful of people in an online store and that manufacturing was probably outsourced. So any company statistics would be very relevant.  Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  18:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm always about expanding, perhaps there is something unbelieveable about this company that we don't know, at least let the page develop it needs some work so i vote, Keep or Merge if it doesn't expand. -- Hi Dlyson,

I have not really had much time to check if there is any media coverage about the company. However, I think you can not expect each company to get as much media coverage as Google or IBM. This is not a billion dollar worth multinational giant. This is probably a small/miod size private company which is not required to publish any data about itself until it goes public. I really don't think that they are just an online store operated by a couple of people. You can hardly find any small online store that has quarter million Google entries and that has real good reviews from well extablished publishers. As far as I could see, Amazon.com sells its products from its own inventory, Palm.com sells them, Dell.com sells them, I am sure many others sell them. All in all, I think it is a farily large and established company that is worth at least a brief mentioning in Wikipedia.

Also the fact that most coverage is about the products does not mean that the company is bad or worthless. Those products are what the company makes and in a sense the products are the company.


 *  AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.  Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, alpha Chimp (talk) 14:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep company with independent media coverage, per list given by poster above. JulesH 18:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment The above reviews are of the cases rather than the company. The company appears to be a handful of people with an online shop. The anon poster above has not referenced independent media coverage of the company.  I don't see the multiple non-trivial published works which is the only part of WP:CORP that might apply.  Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk
 * Comment There is enough coverage of the products to verify them as notable. We could, instead, have article(s) on the products rather than the company, but I think it's best to keep it all.  JulesH 13:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, independent coverage of a company's products is equivalent to coverage of the company itself. Kappa 09:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, I have used their cases for my Palm T3 and Treo 650. I am not sure how big the company is but one thing for sure is that they have their own unique designs for these cases. Therefore, I do not think the cases are outsourced. The fact that Palm sells Sena's cases shows that they have unique features: Palm Accessory Store. This is where I purchased it. JoeMona 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, the only info I could find on the company suggested they had 5-10 employees. I'm pretty impressed that a company this small has a slick website and this much coverage of their product.  It's close, but I agree with Kappa and JulesH that the independent media coverage of the product makes the company notable.  I don't want to stray into WP:OR, but the amount of penetration they have achieved with a company so small also makes me believe the company is notable. Kubigula 03:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


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