Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seneca Mission Indian Church Grounds Desecration


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The result was merge to Draft:Seneca mission. Consensus arrived at. Drmies (talk) 01:41, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Seneca Mission Indian Church Grounds Desecration

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Essay on local history, based on original research, with a strong point of view. I can find no reliable sources describing the alleged desecration as such. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 00:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * Hmm. I think this should undergo a shift in topic and content, and be moved to Seneca Indian Mission. Drmies (talk) 00:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Not opposed to that in principle, but the only in-depth sources I could find on the mission are and, both of which are (1) primary and (2) written by missionary organizations. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 01:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * this is primary too, but it's the kind of sourcing that we just sometimes have to live with. Drmies (talk) 02:03, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete there is not enough reliable sourcing to justify having this article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to the main mission article. Oaktree b (talk) 15:30, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , That article does not exist and I don't think there are sufficient secondary sources to create it. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:47, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Repurpose as Seneca Indian Mission, so that the article focuses on the church, rather than what happened to its land after it became defunct. I see no reason why the sources identified should not be reliable.  I could not get to see the Proquest article, but it appears to be in a reputable publication.  Equally a Presbyterian church publication is likely to be at least a reputable a source as a local newspaper that reprints press releases.  However ultimately this is about a local church (though an atypical one).  I am not qualified to judge notability.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:35, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. (in the public domain) looks like it could be turned into an article on the mission, assuming "Buffalo Creek" refers to Buffalo River (New York)/Buffalo Creek Reservation., , sound OK? I don't see much in Seneca Mission Indian Church Grounds Desecration worth salvaging, and a redirect from that article would be a WP:NPOV problem. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, and, , and also look promising. Turns out searching for "Seneca mission church" was the problem; "Seneca mission" is much more fruitful. I would suggest the new article be called Seneca mission, since it seems to have been known by that name and "Indian" is obviously problematic. See Draft:Seneca mission. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * AleatoryPonderings, thank you. I'm fine with that. But what shall I do here--close it as merge and merge the content, which we might end up editing out of the article anyway? Drmies (talk) 22:41, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , A (very!) selective merge and redirect would be OK, except for the possible NPOV problem I mentioned above (calling anything a desecration without good sources is not my cup of tea). I'd be more inclined to TNT the original article because I honestly can't see anything but the images to merge. But as I doubt anyone would be searching for "Seneca Mission Indian Church Grounds Desecration" anyway, it probably does little harm to save the history. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


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