Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sensei Devadanam


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The result was   delete. joe deckertalk to me 14:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Sensei Devadanam

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No indication Mr. Devadanam meets the general notability guideline or the notability guideline for people; of three references, two are passing mentions while another quotes Mr. Devadanam on a broader topic. – hysteria18 (talk) 17:58, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Have provided enough references that are unbiased as they are articles from national newspapers and also snaps depicting what have been mentioned - Sailesh Varma 125.62.201.15 (talk) 13:14, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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 * Comment There are a number of reliable sources, but many of them are more of the "passing mention" variety. However, at some point enough "passing mentions" become significant (at least to me).  I'll have to do more research on him, but I do know the article will need to be retitled since "sensei" is a title, not a name.  Article was created by a likely COI, but that has no bearing on the subject's notability. Astudent0 (talk) 17:40, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I wasn't sure about the name either. The sources seem to indicate "Ch. Devadanam" as the name, but my understanding is that that's an abbreviation of Chaudhary, also an honorific, so I don't know where the article should be if it's kept. – hysteria18 (talk) 15:08, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, no, his name is Chintapalli Devadanam. That detail should make research easier. DS (talk) 13:07, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm working with User:Saileshvarma on improving the article. DS (talk) 14:17, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I've been trying to get the editors to put reliable sources for many of the claims. Originally all of my comments were removed, but we're using the talk page to discuss improving the article.  Right now the only things that are truly sourced are that he teaches judo and shooting air rifles to local children.  As Astudent0 pointed out, these are short articles of local interest where he is mentioned, but not in detail. Papaursa (talk) 23:13, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless further sourcing is added this seems to fail WP:ROUTINE because it falls under the "local man gets award" description specifically mentioned. The only sources indicate that he teaches judo and is involved in the local YMCA shooting program for children.  Things like organizing tournaments or coaching a "district sub-junior judo team" fail to distinguish him from millions of other community volunteers.  If, for example, claims like he "was ranked #1 for four consecutive years from 1981-1984 in Karate, Judo, Aikido, Jujitsu, and Kung Fu, Katas (Weapons) in National full contact-Knock down martial arts championships" could be sourced, that would be different.  As it is, it's just more unsupported claims that are found in so many martial arts articles. Astudent0 (talk) 17:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete My internet search didn't find any sources that aren't already in the article. Without additional sources or supported claims, I have to agree with Astudent0's assessment of this article.  A supported claim of being #1 in all of those different martial arts would certainly show notability, but extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof and this article lists no support for the claim.  He seems to care about kids, but that alone doesn't show notability. Papaursa (talk) 03:30, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article certainly makes claims that would indicate notability, but they need verification, as others have noted. Janggeom (talk) 14:30, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.