Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sent by Ravens


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. –MuZemike 22:55, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Sent by Ravens
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No indication this meets the notability requirements for bands. Under an alternate title, this was deleted six times and salted. Courcelles 23:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt still fails WP:MUSIC. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  23:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep I didn't request that the alternate title be unsalted and redirected here for nothing. The band is on Tooth & Nail Records and reached the Billboard Heatseekers chart; the article asserts as much, with a source. See also reviews such as Indie Vision, Absolutepunk, Jesus Freak Hideout, Decoy, Interview with Houston Chronicle, coverage by Alternative Press. Also, please note that five of those six deletions occurred before their album even came out; past deletion is not always a good indicator of anything. Chubbles (talk) 23:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, make that a Speedy Keep since the article was kept at AfD just two weeks ago: Articles for deletion/Sent by ravens. Did anyone take a look at the talk page? Chubbles (talk) 23:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong delete "Heatseekers" does not meet the defiinition of "a country's top chart" as required for WP:MUSICBIO. In fact, Heatseekers (a combination of nielson/soundscan) specifically states that Heatseekers entries MAY also feature in the actual Top 100 Billboard charts.  This band most certainly did not - if it had, I would concur that this is a keep as per MUSICBIO.  Unfortunately, this is a "wow, they were a heatseeker but could not cut it in the long run" ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 11:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, several editors disagreed with this interpretation of charts in the last AfD; furthermore, WP:MUSIC does not state "a country's top chart", it states a national music chart, which Billboard's charts in general qualify. A band who charts a single on, say, the Mainstream Rock chart does not fail WP:MUSIC for not hitting the Billboard Hot 100; likewise, a Heatseeker would not be disqualified for not having broken the Billboard 200 (though a few Heatseekers do - it is defined as an act who has yet to crack the Top 100 of the Billboard 200). There is longstanding precedent for this chart being admissible under WP:MUSIC. In any case, I've updated the article with the sources listed above, so the notability argument doesn't rely solely on the Heatseekers chart anyway. Chubbles (talk) 13:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep It was kept 9 days ago at an AfD. No reason to overturn that decision with a second AfD.  If you think the close of the first discussion was flawed then DRV, not a 2nd AfD is the solution. Protonk (talk) 17:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ...because the article was AfD's under a slightly different name, the original AfD might not have been easily findable. In fact, I only found this one because of a misplaced WP:RFPP at WP:REFUND ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 18:08, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * An oldafd box for the original AfD was on the talk page of the article at the time the most recent AfD was initiated. It's a mistake, surely, but one that has so far been painfully difficult to rectify. Chubbles (talk) 18:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Um. ok?  I'm not asserting that anyone is acting in bad faith.  Just that we have discussed this article recently and this discussion ought to defer to the decision made less than a month ago. Protonk (talk) 18:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep Last AFD was far too recent; notability asserted through charting album on a Billboard chart. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 19:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep.  Per Ten Pound and Chubbles.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.