Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Senthil Nathan (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Senthil Nathan
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This was already deleted once at AfD. Recreated and tagged CSD, the A7 was declined because the article makes claims of notability. However, the sources are all either primary, promotional, or simple faculty listings. WP:BEFORE shows the only in-depth article about him to be the current Wikipedia one - and we are not WP:RS. The actual claims to notability are not substantiated. Not to be confused with many other people of the same name. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:26, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. I searched but cannot glimpse where he meets WP:NACADEMIC. -The Gnome (talk) 10:11, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Don't have time to investigate this properly right now, but if you search Google Scholar with Senthil Nathan & PROBOT or Senthil Nathan & John Wickham, there are lots of reliable independent review articles that Nathan performed the first-ever robotic surgery using PROBOT. Unfortunately few are free to read; one that is states: "The idea of RSS, or technologies that use robotic systems to aid in surgical procedures on-site, have been around for over three decades. In 1992, Dr. Senthil Nathan of Guy’s and  St.  Thomas  hospital in London successfully carried out the first robotic surgical procedure (prostatectomy) in the  world, using ‘Probot’, developed at Imperial College London."  There is also this Independent article  which states Nathan was involved in the development of the robot. Academics don't need in-depth articles about their life, but rather reviews of their work. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:36, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Details of Nathan's involvement in the project from book by John Wickham: ff, though unfortunately Google Books is missing a key page, and, original research articles, again not free, which suggest Nathan might publish as "MS Nathan". Another book ref  which also backs up the Tomorrow's World appearance; also ,,,. Espresso Addict (talk) 08:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Greetings. Let's examine your sources, Espresso Addict. The articles you cite only mention the subject in passing, their main focus being various medical issues and robotics: in the very long article in the Journal of Military and Veterans' Health, his name is mentioned only once; in the Indy article, "Nathan" comes up twice; the Googled-text citations lead nowhere, as you also acknowledge (one misses the page where subject is meant to appear, and the other two are works by "M.S. Nathan). Even if we accept that it's "our" Nathan who's the author, the mere existence of an author's own work does not mean anything at all in terms of his own notability. We need third-party, independent sources showing independent notability.
 * Onwards: the book 21st-Century Miracle Medicine only mentions Nathan as the "surgeon in charge" during a robot-performed surgery. The book Surgical Treatment of Colorectal Cancer mentions Nathan only once, in its timeline of "Robotic Colorectal Surgery Worldwide"; same goes for the book Biomechanics and Robotics and the articles "Surgical Robotics" and "Improving Lives with Electronics", i.e. only one mention in each text, in passing. Conclusion : We simply have no sources.
 * Here's what I see. Nathan has done something in the past that is described in various texts time and again, though only briefly and in passing, as important, i.e. he performed or supervised the "first pure robotic surgery". But we still lack substantial citations from the medical world or the world in general about the person. Me, I could not find much. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 09:45, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 18:03, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not notable. The article title is "Senthil Nathan". If we have to look up Senthil Nathan & PROBOT, Senthil Nathan & John Wickham (the "godfather" of robotics), or any combination of added names to the subject, then notability is shared and either there is not enough individual notability or the title is wrong. The subject isn't even mentioned on the John Wickham article. Otr500 (talk) 00:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)


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