Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seoul (Girls' Generation and Super Junior song)


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The result was   delete. KTC (talk) 01:26, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Seoul (Girls' Generation and Super Junior song)

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This song was only used to promote tourism for South Korea. There is really nothing to suggest anything notable for it to have a stand-alone article on Wikipedia. No chart information either. It fails both WP:NSONGS and WP:GNG. TerryAlex (talk) 20:03, 16 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - not really sure how to approach this one. It was written and then used for an official government tourism campaign, guaranteeing airtime in multiple international contexts. It was also performed at the Asia Song Festival resulting in widespread regional airtime. It was a collaboration between two very notable pop groups. But the name makes it almost impossible to find anything by way of actual significant coverage from 6 years ago. We have an article for the Australian tourism campaign catch-phrase So where the bloody hell are you? and that was just a then-relatively-unknown model standing on a beach. This was an actual song by two very well-known K-Pop groups. I'm inclined to think that's the sort of thing we should chronicle, but that's just me.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 02:59, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You can't really compare it to K-pop. From WP:GNG - "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content." Even that Australian campaign's article has some real information, but sad to say, 99% of K-pop songs/albums, even the most famous ones, don't have that kind of media coverage, except for "Gangnam Style".--TerryAlex (talk) 06:09, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree, but it helps that the coverage of the Australian campaign is almost entirely in English and was so stupid, it was parodied extensively. I don't imagine this song was subsequently parodied but I imagine most of the coverage (certainly most of the analysis of its effectiveness as a campaign) would be in Korean. I think its use in a major international tourism campaign is what might make it notable. But then, I haven't !voted and I'm not really convinced either way.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 06:19, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If you're interested in this kind of thing, songs like this by popular kpop groups are released frequently by different sectors of the Korean government. Every big city has one, even different parts of Seoul have their own.  Hit up enough government websites and you'll have a whole collection of taxpayer-funded kpop songs. Shinyang-i (talk) 03:47, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If that's the case then my concerns about the possibility of deleting some notable government-funded tourism campaign song are unfounded.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 05:33, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per Shinyang-i above and below.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 05:33, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  Rcsprinter123     (chinwag)  @ 18:32, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions.  Rcsprinter123     (drone)  @ 18:32, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:GNG. New tourism-encouraging songs by kpop groups are released multiple times a year by different sectors of the Korean government and various cities in Korea.  This one was as temporarily-used as those others are; it just has an article because a fan of one of these groups happened to make one.  Per WP:NSONG, song notability is not inherited, that is, a song by a notable artist (or even two) must attain notability on its own, not by virtue of who performs it.  This song was just one blip in the never-ending Korea self-promotion campaign. I would be shocked to discover one person outside SJ/GG fandom who remembers it.  Shinyang-i (talk) 03:41, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
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