Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seoul National University Hospital massacre


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The result was keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 22:04, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Seoul National University Hospital massacre
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The first link just (my Korean is limited but from what I can gather) is a memorial page for the supposed victims killed by North Korea. It doesn't go into detail beyond that. Both the second and third sources are right-wing newspapers in South Korea. The second page/paper, associated with Reverend Moon (a fanatical anti-communist who, among other anti-communist activities, supported the Nicaraguan contras financially), is not available any longer (. And the third article appears to be based on the account of Colonel Jang Do-yeong, Director of the Army Intelligence Bureau in South Korea, which makes it dubious if so. If I'm wrong please correct, but I believe this is enough for this to be deleted. The only information in English conveniently seems to come from Wikipedia. A search for its Korean name ("서울대학교 부속병원 학살 사건") turned up only 46 results on Google, many reprints of the Wikipedia article, passing mentions or appearing to be based on South Korean military sources (the credibility of whom was doubtful, even to the US, as noted by Channing Liem, a former professor at SUNY-New Paltz and South Korean diplomat). Not a single historian, in Korean (even keeping in mind that dissent is stifled by the National Security Law in South Korea) or any other language, appears to have written anything about this. A search in Korean on Google books gave 4 results (at least two of which were fiction and one from North Korea, but there is only one preview - of a fictional book). As there are issues with verifiability and sources, I believe this article should be deleted. Again, my Korean is limited, so if I'm wrong, please provide sources that prove this (preferably in English). Incogreader (talk) 19:46, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:41, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:58, 19 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep: In response to the nominator, I've recovered the second source cited in the article (which was incredibly easy). Moreover, according to the recovered article, this massacre has been documented by Korea's Ministry of National Defense. The hospital itself clearly recognizes this (per the memorial monument seen in the Korean Wikipedia article), there are two separate articles in Korean recognizing this, and it would appear South Korea's own government recognizes this. In general, the nominator's entire edit history has been dedicated solely to defending North Korea and the Kim regime, and thus I feel there's an obvious bias in this nomination that should be taken into consideration. Comment: This is the corresponding article on the Korean Wikipedia.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  07:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the work by TheTechnician27. Bondegezou (talk) 13:13, 22 June 2019 (UTC)


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