Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/September 11th, 2001 victims list


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The result was Delete. Wikipedia is not a memorial. &mdash; Scientizzle 00:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

September 11th, 2001 victims list

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This was prodded and Prod2's twice, the concerns are that the page violates WP:LIST and WP:MEMORIAL. Personally, I agree with the prods, however there has been enough discussion (and disagreement) on the talk page of the article to take it out of the realm of Prod, at least in my eyes. Therefore, I removed the prods to list it here. UsaSatsui (talk) 09:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete completely unverifiable, unencyclopaedic list. It is also almost impossible to read and I would question its usefulness for that reason.  nancy   (talk) 11:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I don't believe verifiability is an issue here as there were victims lists published, but it definitely violates WP:LIST and WP:MEMORIAL. Redfarmer (talk) 12:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: This is an unverified list of names ... the fundamental issue is that there is absolutely no reliable source attribution for the list ... anyone can add any name to it, and no one would be the wiser ... Wikipedia is better off without it. &mdash;  12:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete:. Serves no encyclopaedic purpose, and there are external websites better suited to carry lists like these. &mdash; BillC talk 13:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as per BillC. The link to the site this was copy & pasted from could be put into the main article. Lugnuts (talk) 13:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unverifiable, unnecessary, looks like a copy/paste, will never be anything more than a list of names, privileges victims of this incident over those of other incidents.  Exploding Boy (talk) 16:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:MEMORIAL, but someone should make sure that there is a link from the main article (September 11, 2001 attacks) to an outside list of victims. The concept of the article is laudable, it just doesn't work for wikipedia.  I found that the main article does have a link to http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/ so delete away. The Bearded One (talk) 08:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete One of the most notable principles of Wikipedia (and one that I'm glad is in place) is that "Wikipedia is not a memorial". Not everyone likes that directive, which is understandable.  From the point of view of an encyclopedia that accepts contributions from the general public, however, it makes perfect sense.  That notwithstanding, if anyone feels that it is an "insult" to the memory of the 9/11 victims to delete this, I think it's more of an insult to their memory to put up this "cut and paste" job, copied from one of the many websites.  Do you know which one of these worked at Cantor Fitzgerald?  Which ones had the misfortune of attending the Risk Waters conference at Windows on the World?  Who happened to be flying that day from Boston to L.A.?  Probably not.  That stuff is on record in other sites that do host memorials, and do a good job at it. Mandsford (talk) 16:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a memorial. Mostlyharmless (talk) 00:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - the event was notable (infamous? you pick the word). Very few people were directly involved and thus notable. People indirectly involved in the event, no (sorry). A list of deaths caused by the event would be a WP:Memorial. Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  05:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.101.167 (talk • contribs)
 * ...would you like to elaborate? --UsaSatsui (talk) 07:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - I seem to recall looking for a website listing victims (i.e. those who murdered). No doubt it is still out there.  However, like most of the rest of us, most victims were NN.  A category for 9-11 victims (that is notable victims with an article) might be useful, but that is all.   Peterkingiron (talk) 23:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.