Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SerenityOS (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. I am seeing no basis in policy for most of the "keep" !votes. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:21, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

SerenityOS
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Note: original 2nd nomination by here, but did not set up a new AfD discussion. Redone by me. Original nomination (?) statement: This is still not a relevant project and does not have any media coverage. --Gellopai (talk) 12:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

This was draftified following the previous AfD discussion, but that was immediately undone by, and apparently nobody noticed. So basically this constitutes an end-run around the AfD outcome and should probably just be re-draftified. As far as I can tell it still sports the exact same references as before, insufficient for demonstrating substantial coverage. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Keep: I found my way to the SerenityOS page after it was featured on the most recent CppCast podcast (https://cppcast.com/serenity-os/). CppCast is one of the biggest, possibly the biggest, C++ podcast but I do not know if that qualifies as "media coverage"? I understand SerenityOS is a hobby project for Andreas Kling however it seems the project has a reasonable number of contributors regularly being discussed on platforms such as reddit and Hacker News. A quick search on reddit shows almost 150 articles over the past couple of years for example. Naturally one would look to Wikipedia for more information on the project so I think it warrants keeping as it seems to have the momentum to continue growing. Perhaps re-evaluate in a year? -Morgan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB14:3E3:FC00:199B:891B:541C:BE84 (talk) 00:30, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Reddit is not a reliable source for establishing notability. SK2242 (talk) 12:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Only coverage is from Hackaday - fails WP:GNG. SK2242 (talk) 12:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Keep: It's a project that has obvious relevance, even now in the early development stages. I can find a link on Hacker News for this os as well. Deleting this page now simply means having to restore it, or worse, rewrite it in 5 years when more people start finding it. Avindra talk / contribs 20:49, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Clarifying what I feel is obvious: it boots, has graphics, has a web browser, and is built by an ex-WebKit developer: https://webkit.org/blog/author/kling/ Even if it doesn't move beyond the status of a hobby OS, it's completeness will remain as a point of reference for those engaged in OS development. Avindra  talk / contribs 21:30, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Keep: This project wiki should be kept, regardless of it has enough media coverage or not. Among tech community and specifically among OS Dev community SerenityOS is a well respected project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhavalhirdhav (talk • contribs) 04:40, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That’s not how it works. See WP:GNG. SK2242 (talk) 07:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 17:00, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Delete: This is a new open source project of no particular notability. Media coverage on FOSS-related websites alone doesn't establish notability, and there is nothing that particularly distinguishes this one or sets it apart from any number of other hobbyist/project operating systems that are in pre-alpha status but will never go on to achieve much in the way of usage share (e.g. technical innovation.) The fact that it exists and could also theoretically work as a point of reference for developers of operating systems also does not establish notability (the same applies to many, many other projects) nor does it justify inclusion on Wikipedia. If and when it achieves some form of notability beyond being a curiosity it should get an article, but Wikipedia is not a site for open source projects of no real renown to be advertised. Foonblace (talk) 17:52, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Keep: There seems to be a spike in visitors to this page (2.9K in last 30 days), which is surprisingly high for a niche project. As such, the deleted article should be replaced with a redirect (which I don't want to write at the moment). Scraimer (talk) 21:01, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that spike have something to do with it being listed for deletion? Foonblace (talk) 14:20, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Invalid keep rationale. Page views are not a measure of notability. SK2242 (talk) 16:13, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Unilateral de-draftications earn blocks for disruption. Nothing substantive has changed since that time. Delete rather than draft this time given the clear disruption. --Izno (talk) 23:52, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


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