Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serge Gnabry


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:16, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Serge Gnabry

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Does not meet notability guidelines having never played in a fully professional league nor represented his country at the highest level. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:17, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Might have to retract since article states "Gnabry then made his professional first-team debut for Arsenal on 26 September 2012" but infobox did not reflect this. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:18, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: Having played a single season even in professional or "World" level sports does not make one notable: there are thousands of people who have played a single season (or more) of professional sports who are still not otherwise notable in any way, including people who play for many years at a time but never achieve anything to receive or deserve particular recognition. If every person who ever played a professsional sport for a single season were notable, the Wiki would be flooded with irrelevant and unremarkable articles about them. Even playing at a young age isn't all that remarkable, until or unless they achieve some higher level of fame through accomplishment or other event generating wider recognition, such as breaking a long-standing or difficult record. Besieged (talk) 01:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: doesn't seem to meet WP:NFOOTY oddly enough (it meets the now-defunct WP:FOOTYN). The League Cup is not listed in the List of Fully professional leagues (and is not a league). Hack (talk) 01:51, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: As he has participated in a sanctioned competition for a club in a league that meets the WP:NFOOTY standards, I would say that he meets the criteria. Che84 (talk) 05:39, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: How does he meet the criteria? He hasn't played in a fully-professional league. Hack (talk) 06:01, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Mentoz86 (talk) 09:27, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - there is a long-standing consensus that playing in a cup-tie between two teams from fully pro league confers notability. Mentoz86 (talk) 09:26, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete – GNG overrides a WikiProject's consensus, and this player fails it. Fails NFOOTY as well. – Kosm  1  fent  09:30, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep – He appears to pass GNG now. – Kosm  1  fent  09:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - agree with Mentoz, there is indeed consensus that playing in a cup competition between two teams from fully-professional leagues is enough to meet WP:NFOOTBALL; furthermore, this was an appearance in the League Cup, a competition only professional Premiership/Football League clubs can meet. The article needs improving to meet GNG, not deleting. GiantSnowman 09:33, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - have people even bothered looking for GNG sources? A quick Google search (and I mean quick - the 3 mins between my previous comment 09:33 and this one 09:36!) brings up     - among others.  GiantSnowman 09:36, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep make his debut as a Substitution in sub on: 72' minute for Capital one cup game against Coventry City F.C (26 September 2012)Capital one cup: Football League Cup._Terenen (talk) 10:52, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: He played in the Captital One Cup against a fully-pro team while he himself played for a fully-pro club. I will get it to pass GNG soon.--Arsenalkid700 (talk) 18:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Unwritten consensus that League Cup appearances = notability.--Egghead06 (talk) 07:48, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:21, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.