Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serge Madikians


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  12:38, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Serge Madikians

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

trivia awards, and the refs are either local or promotional. Local refs of this sort for local chefs are not reliable--they are oftern promotional  and always indiscriminate.  DGG ( talk ) 19:24, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  SwisterTwister   talk  19:42, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  SwisterTwister   talk  19:42, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  SwisterTwister   talk  19:42, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as the best my searches found were only a few several passing mentions at Books, News and browsers. Notifying two of the most active AfD users I know and  who also part of WikiProject Food and drink.  SwisterTwister   talk  19:46, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm not seeing the "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other and independent of the subject" required by basic criteria for personal notability. As noted by the nom, references cited (and those I've looked for independently) are mainly blogs, passing mentions and promotional publications. I did find one secondary source, in the form of a NY Times News Service article published in 1998 in the Boca Raton News which mentions him, in passing, as an example of the hard work involved in developing as a young graduate of The Culinary Institute of America. But that's all. No significant, reliable, secondary sources for his work in the upstate NY restaurant can be found. Geoff &#124; Who, me? 18:54, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. The sources in the article demonstrate sufficient coverage for WP:GNG, e.g. Hudson Valley Magazine. Outside of the article, I found WAMC, Edible Hudson Valley, Saveur Magazine, New York Times, and Poughkeepsie Journal. Contrary to the claim above, the Times article is more than just a passing mention, dedicating three paragraphs to Madikians. Pburka (talk) 04:02, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment, the sweeping claim that local coverage of a chef is always poor, made by the article nom, strikes me as a false assertion and troubling as well. I don't think we can or should assume all local coverage is unreliable when it comes to chefs and we should evaluate all sources on a case by case basis. To do so otherwise is poor researching and also smacks of bias against local work as being less important/reliable, which it is not. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 14:50, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Esquivalience t 05:22, 24 December 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. The local articles are reasonably well written, and the awards won imply notability. While not major, I believe that this chef meets the spirit of the WP:GNG. Lithorien (talk) 04:40, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - outside of the local media coverage, which I don't feel rises to the level of notability, nothing much. The sources provided above include two interviews, which are primary sources and as such don't go to notability, more local coverage, and a brief mention in the New York Times in an article that he's not the subject of.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:13, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  15:53, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.