Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sergei Kramarenko


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was withdraw  I'll clean the article myself, but this AFD is obviously already decided. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 23:35, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Sergei Kramarenko

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Completely biased, untrue biography. Article is written by a gentleman who holds the writings of 'Diego Zampini' in high regard, and Diego Zampini - an author who holds that Britain hit, or even lost (the claims differ in his articles) a carrier in the Falklands War, and that the loss was covered up. He also claims that over 600 US aircraft were lost in Korea, which is something like 90% of the inventory at the time. Source.

Nearly all of the sources are either written by Sergey Kramarenko (the article subject), or Mr Zampini. The article is biased, completely untrue, and I think it should be 'expunged' completely from the history as a hoax, so that we can start afresh without any chance of the previous revisions getting mixed in with the new article. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 14:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep – In that it was easily verified by a quick Google News search, as shown here that he has been awarded the Hero of the Soviet Union, the highest distinction in the Soviet Union, is notable enough for inclusion here at Wikipedia.  Regarding the POV allegations, all claims are referenced.  Can we use additional verification yes.  But feel that is better handled by an expert in that field.  Thanks. ShoesssS Talk 14:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The sources are self-published, and the article is based almost 100% on them. I'm not debating notability, I'm debating the fact that the article is completely untrue. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 15:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment – I honestly hear what you are saying, but that is an issue addressed through editing, not deletion. Regarding the subject, they are notable.  With regards to claims made in the piece, it is not a matter for Wikipedia that the statements are true, but a matter of is it true that the individual made the statements.  In that the article references the individual’s Printed biography, that the statements were made by the individual is true and can be included, as long as the statements are credited to the individual.  It is not our responsibility to verify the truth of the statements.  That can be addressed in a “Controversy Section” within the piece.  See the difference? ShoesssS Talk 17:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - Notable per Shoessss' comment. Alleged bias is no justification to delete an article. LokiiT (talk) 15:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep It's way too detailed for an encyclopedia article, but it's verifiable, and generally good information Bachcell (talk) 20:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.