Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sergey Renev


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The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 01:23, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Sergey Renev

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Article with one sentence about a non-notable individual with no sources and zero references or citations. Renev fails WP:N, WP:SIGCOV, and WP:GNG. Dr42 (talk) 18:44, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep as page creator. Meets WP:NCYC, so nominator's "non-notable individual" is his/her opinion, not true according to established policy.  Kevin McE (talk) 20:31, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cycling-related deletion discussions. As I don't see the relevance, I will also remove from WikiProject Deletion sorting/Motorsport A7V2 (talk) 21:04, 3 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep found enough coverage in Russian - 1, 2, 3, 4 and more. Meets WP:NCYC. Less Unless (talk) 11:40, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG, which NSPORT is based on. Only the Vesti article listed above is significant coverage. SportingFlyer  T · C  11:56, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * So there is significant coverage. How then do you argue, against your own evidence, that it fails WP:GNG? Kevin McE (talk) 13:39, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG requires multiple independent sources, which hasn't been demonstrated here yet. You are not notable just because a newspaper covers you once. SportingFlyer  T · C  13:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It doesn't "require" multiple sources: it says that they are "generally expected". The linked essay (admittedly only an essay, but linked from within the guideline, and therefore of some status) states, "While references are always needed for verifiability, references are not always needed to establish notability. Wikipedia has criteria for what is called "presumed notability". Examples of established criteria for presumed notability include ... WP:ATHLETE establishes criteria for presumed notability for athletes in various sports." Kevin McE (talk) 15:08, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * SportingFlyer, He clearly passes WP:NCYC for competing in a Grand Tour and a Monument, as well as riding at the World Tour level for four years. Seacactus 13 (talk)
 * WP:SPORTCRIT clearly spells out that the guideline is based on the assumption WP:GNG-qualifying coverage exists. I can't find any additional significant coverage of him apart from that one article. Passing the SNG doesn't matter - it's just a presumption that WP:GNG will be passed, and as far as I can tell, he does not - and as noted, multiple sources are expected. I don't see why he would be exempt - why not just come up with another source? SportingFlyer  T · C  23:23, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I added two and Less Unless posted four above.--Seacactus 13 (talk) 00:18, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's good the article has inline citations now, but the two you added were directory listings and only one of the four Less Unless posted above are significant coverage, so we're still at one source for the purposes of WP:GNG. Are there any other articles written directly about him? SportingFlyer  T · C  00:31, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Six sources is plenty, this is nearly always considered more than enough. I am not sure what your expectation is. It is enough for GNG, and easily meets not just one, but three guidelines of WP:NCYCLING: " A male cyclist is presumed notable if he: Has competed in a UCI World Tour; Has competed in a Grand Tour or Monument; Has competed at the Olympics or UCI World Championships or UCI World Cup;" He competed at World Tour level, in a Grand Tour, Monuments and the UCI World Championships. In 2011 alone, he competed in nine UCI WorldTour events, only one is enough for inclusion. There has never been an issue with notability for someone who has done these things. Competing at such a level in basically every other sport is also always enough to meet GNG, so please explain to me as to why would this be any different. Seacactus 13 (talk) 02:27, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kazakhstan-related deletion discussions. SSSB (talk) 15:52, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Strong keep Easily passes WP:NCYCLING, competed at highest level. Number of current sources is at all not an indication of notability. Also competed in a Grand Tour, which clearly meets notability guidelines. Also note that the nom has quite a history of nominating articles that are speedily kept. Seacactus 13 (talk) 18:35, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep rode in the Vuelta a Espana, so passes WP:NCYC, as well as riding for Astana. Less Unless has found coverage in Russian, and I suspect there's also coverage in Kazakh too.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


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