Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sergio D. Acosta


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stating that the individual is notable is not sufficient to demonstrate it. I did take into account the cleanup effort, but after weighing up the arguments in this discussion, the consensus is to delete. Since I know Michael has a track record of resurrecting articles such as these and making them shine for restoration to mainspace, I extend my usual invitation to him to request userfication Fritzpoll (talk) 19:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Sergio D. Acosta

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Essentially unsourced BLP (IMDB is only semi-independent source/link given, and as that can be edited by the public it is unreliable). Awards allegedly received sound trivial in the extreme. Filmography is a bunch of films without articles. Even if everything in article is true the person sounds like he fails our notability standards by a wide margin. DreamGuy (talk) 15:03, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, I could find no significant coverage in reliable sources. Jfire (talk) 15:36, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep With two films screened at the Cannes Film Festival, D. Acosta appears to possess at least minimal notability. I added more links. --Vejvančický (talk) 16:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Are there reliable sources for that? If you can provide them, great. DreamGuy (talk) 15:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Le Keep Yes, this person has "performed" at an international level, so that is why I am suggesting we keep this article. Eurovision 2009 and 2010Sasha SonSakis Rouvas 20:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - passes WP:CREATIVE. Subject is notable for his work on the award winning indie-films Runaways and Exploring Love. Varbas (talk) 04:44, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This user has been identified as a sockpuppet of another editor as part of an investigation into a user banned for using sockpuppets to vote in AFDs. DreamGuy (talk) 16:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment the investifation found that User:Varbas was not guily of abusive sockpuppetry.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you'll need reliable sources to demonstrate that those films actually won awards. IMDB is not a reliable source for such matters, as the filmmaker himself could have added it. Please find sources that meet our rules. DreamGuy (talk) 15:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Removing references from an article does not mean that references do not exist. I easily located additional reliable references (just as you would have if you cared to look) confirming that his films "Runaways" and "Exploring Love" did indeed win such awards  , and I also found a further independent article on Sergio D. Acosta here. Varbas (talk) 22:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete blps without any reliable sources that discuss the subject of the blp in any depth, the sort of things that might establish notability and allow for verification of claims made, are generally a minimum standards for biographical articles in this encyclopedia. And there are none.Bali ultimate (talk) 20:28, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- decltype (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * STRONG Keep per a cursory search per WP:AFTER shows the subject as meeting inclusion criteria of WP:GNG through coverage in reliable sources, and (even easier) his film projects receiving awards.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Though IMDB is not accepted as "proof" of notability, it is NOT edited by the public. That's Wikipedia. IMDB does accept user submissions, including submissions from industry experts, but all such submissions, including those from their own editorial staff, are vetted before IMDB publishes. Though not accepted as a reliable, Wikipedia does encourage using IMDB as a starting point in conducting further research.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The "vetting" there is almost nonexistent, especially for smaller films, which is exactly why it is not a reliable source. Your argument is the equivalent of "Oh, i admit it's not reliable, but let's pretend that it is anyway." DreamGuy (talk) 16:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The vetting is actually more strict for small films. I granted that Wikipedia does not use IMDB as a reliable source and simply pointed out that your statement "can be edited by the public" is incorrect. Your adversarial posture is not helpful to this discussion.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Note to closer: The article has gone through significant WP:CLEANUP per WP:AFTER since it was nominated.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And is still no closer to showing notability for an article than it was in the beginning. DreamGuy (talk) 16:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * False. He meets the WP:GNG. Thank you.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep An award winning film maker, who clearly meets all notability requirements. Is there any doubt of the information in the article?  If so, a quick Google should tell you on the website of the Cannes film festival, who was there, and who won what.   D r e a m Focus  01:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The accuracy of the info in the article is in doubt, and even if everything on the article is 100% correct it's a far cry from showing that the person is notable enough to deserve a Wikipedia article of his own. And it gets tiring seeing the same highly aggressive editors vote Keep on every AFD they run across based upon claims that are completely at odds with our policies. DreamGuy (talk)


 * Incorrect. He meets the WP:GNG: "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. He's co-produced and had bit parts in two indie films, which both got some minor awards. I don't think he makes the cut. He might get there, but at the moment he's only had local press coverage. Fences and windows (talk) 00:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "Local" coverage showing notability for several millions is just as worthy as notability for 300 million. Has it been a write-up in a school paper.... different story.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Just a few minor credits. Nothing to establish notability. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 01:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.