Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sergio Vélez


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The result was   no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 00:56, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Sergio Vélez

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Repost of Sergio Velez by User talk:Marina Toro. Subject does not meet WP:BIO. In the Spanish Wikipedia the article has been deleted as "Artículo de autopromoción". ("Sexed-up" biography: False ISBNs, works unpublished etc. etc.) Martssnail (talk) 10:44, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. No significant coverage in reliable sources, a requirement for notability.  —Theodore! (talk) (contribs) 18:04, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
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El Mundo El Mundo, Opinion He also deserved the Premio José María Heredia, quite known in Latin America: Caracol Universidad de Antioquia Periodistas Culturales And the Premio Cipa, one of the most prestigious of Colombia: El Mundo Noticias Montreal The Montreal Latin Festival, LatinArte, has just appointed him as its official poet, and the Montreal Poetry Festival selected him as the principal poet in Spanish in its past edition: El Mundo El Espectador Montreal Hispano The user Martssnail says that there are no proof Sergio Esteban Velez won the Premio Nacional de Periodismo Simón Bolívar. I invite you to communicate to the office of that award and ask if Velez won the prize in 2010. The website is. -- Beausejour15 (talk • contribs) 12:58, 25 August 2013
 * I guess this isn't false or unpublished, although El Mundo is his employer, at least according to our article. The article claims he won José María Heredia Award (not entirely unimportant award in the Latin American world). --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 15:12, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Here is another source (Caracol Radio). I would like to point out that the article doesn't read as a self-promotion, it is rather informative. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 15:16, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * See also (Noticias Montreal). --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 15:27, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well the person exists, but I still can't see any notability. The article lists 12 books, 12 footnotes, and 12 external links. The same user has published it in over 20 Wikipedias. (It is his only contribution to Wikipedia.) Compare this with the result of your research and you have a world famous author on the one side and an unknown young poet, that have published a few texts in Spanish on the other. --Martssnail (talk) 17:30, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep There are many articles both by and about Sergio in El Mundo. Not sure when Sergio began working at El Mundo but most likely some of this articles predate his position there because this El Mundo article says "Formerly known as the Child Poet, Velez, from an early age, has been prominent in the city as an important cultural landmark" and "now recognized not only within the country but also abroad," confirmed by the other sources linked by Vejvančický he has won numerous international poetry awards both in Colombia and abroad (the USA and Canada). There are other Colombian newspapers El Colombiano and El Espectador - about 130 results, I have not gone through them but my sense is someone doesn't win all these awards internationally, have so many mentions in multiple Colombian newspapers, without being a notable poet, a profession not known for this sort of attention at a young age. The Spanish AfD was 4 years ago before some of these sources and awards. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 18:07, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "Probably a cross-wiki spam" (Articles for deletion/Sergio Esteban Vélez). If the article should be keept we need a reliable source for the year of birth. Although apparently the entries submitted by the same person the years of birth ranges from 1973 till 1983. --Martssnail (talk) 22:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep -- (assuming truth of content) I take the view that his body of work and awards (even if only minor awards) make him notable. The article certainly needs improvement.  Doubts over his date of birth are no gorund of deletion.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:57, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If the information were correct of cause he would be notable. But the text contains numerous errors. His biography is, as said above, "sexed-up". The es:Premio Nacional de Periodismo Simón Bolívar is a well known award, nevertheless I can't find any proof, that he won this award (premiosimonbolivar.com). --Martssnail (talk) 16:59, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep -- The awards this writer have received are pretty prestigious in his country. He won the Premio Nacional de Periodismo Simón Bolívar, the most important journalism award of Colombia:
 * Thanks for the link. In 2010 Maria Elvira Samper Nieto won the Premio Nacional de Periodismo Simón Bolívar. Beside the main prize, I've now learned, there are multiple minor awards. Saying Sergio Esteban Vélez won the Premio Nacional of that year is missleading. If elmundo.com does it it's ok, since they promote their own website. We should not support this. --Martssnail (talk) 03:35, 26 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The Breton article has also been deleted by now. Cathfolant (talk) 03:22, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * And the Italian translation. I've started a cross-wiki deletion log. --Martssnail (talk) 03:40, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * 'Promotional or non-encyclopedic content: crosswiki spam'. That's a rough translation. Cathfolant (talk) 16:40, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I am also surprised to learn that you consider that Vélez' resume is not outstanding at all. You should take into account that he has been publishing articles in Colombian newspapers for more than ten years. Although he is still very young (29), he is columnist of one of the most important newspapers of Colombia and he has become one of the most relevant cultural journalists in Colombia. His work in the newspaper El Mundo has made of him an important voice among his people. His resume includes not only his career as a journalist, but also his trajectory as a poet. Still a boy, he had already published three poetry books and he became known as a child prodigy and well known among the intellectuals of Medellin, his city. That fame is alive still today, and regardless of the fact that he is no longer living at his country since several years ago, he continues analyzing and reviewing the important news of culture in Colombia. I have checked many other resumes of Colombian writers and journalists on Wikipedia, and I found that many of them do not show enough notability or that they have less notoriety than Sergio Esteban Vélez has. Thus, I request you to reconsider your opinions --Beausejour15 (talk) 
 * There may be arguments for keeping this, but I expect it is similar to the first (deleted) version and could conceivably be speedied as recreation of a page deleted per a discussion - have we considered that? Cathfolant (talk) 16:44, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The deletion discussions here (and here, for those of you who can read Breton; I certainly can't) might prove useful. Cathfolant (talk) 18:21, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I kindly want to clarify some items the user Martssnail has mentioned. First of all, Vélez really won the Premio Nacional de Periodismo Simón Bolívar.   The confusion is due to the fact that that award is given in different categories for various kinds of journalism. They do have prizes in different modalities:  Interview, Criticism, Opinion journalism, Investigative journalism and so on. In 2010, María Elvira Samper won in the modality “All a life in journalism” and Sergio Esteban Vélez was awarded for the best interview made in Colombia in that year.   It is the same as at the Oscars for films:  in that competition, in the same year, there are prizes for many people in different specialties, and all they are called “Oscar winners”.
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 11:47, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello Beausejour15, of cause there are other articles about writers that are not notable but please take note of Conflict of interest. In the four years since 2009 in all 31 Wikipedias it was only one anonymous user, now living in Canada (IP 132.208.73.76), who wrote about this person. So it's pretty obvious why the Spanish Wikipedia deleted the text as "artículo de autopromoción". Sergio Vélez, "actuellement, il habite au Québec", might be a promising young journalist but he is certainly not a famous Columbian writer ("un famós escrivan colombian") as the anonymous user (you?) claims. --Martssnail (talk) 12:24, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep I didn't have any trouble finding sources noting this individual in varying degrees of depth. Seems to be quite notable if not famoso. Candleabracadabra (talk) 05:14, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've updated the deletion log. This article has been posted in 32 Wikipedias. There have been at least 11 reposts using name variants like "Serhio-Esteban Velez", "Sergio-Esteban Velez-Pelaez" and "Sergio-Esteban Velez P." --Martssnail (talk) 05:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Today, I have updated some of the footnotes, based on the articles I found on the net. Just in the newspaper El Mundo, a reliable source, I found  more than 10,000 results about Sergio Esteban Vélez--Beausejour15 (talk)
 * Wow, so you in a few years you will be as famous as I am: Marts Snai 246.000 Google hints! BTW: The article about El Mundo (Colombia) is a stub started on August 28. It's a local newspaper and website, not to be confused with El Mundo (Spain). Major newspapers of Colombia are El Nuevo Siglo, El Espectador and El Tiempo (Colombia). --Martssnail (talk) 21:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * El Mundo is a major newspaper in Medellin and El Nuevo Siglo is a newspaper in Bogota. You won't find a lot of readers of El Nuevo Siglo in Medellin just as you won't find a lot of readers of the Washington Post in Los Angeles. Newspapers tend to be regional and their size is relative to the city they serve. I believe El Mundo, serving Colombia's second largest city, is in fact quite substantial. Candleabracadabra (talk) 22:09, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Well it's great that you have started an article for this newspaper, but there is still a big difference between a local/regional and a national newspaper. --Martssnail (talk) 22:27, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The metropolitan area of Medellín is the second largest urban agglomeration in Colombia in terms of population and economy, with more than 3.5 million people. Its region, Antioquia, has a population of almost 7 million people. Saying that a major newspaper of Medellin is not important in Colombia because Medellin is not the capital of the country is like saying that the leading mass media of Barcelona, Munich or Toronto are not relevant in Spain, Germany and Canada.  --Beausejour15 (Beausejour15)  —Preceding undated comment added 03:17, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * New York is not the capital of the US and Munich not the capital of Germany and still major (national) newspapers (New York Times and Süddeutsche Zeitung) are made in this cities. Working as a journalist for a regional newspaper does not meet WP:BIO. --Martssnail (talk) 04:56, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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