Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serpent Men


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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 16:24, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Serpent Men

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Fictional race that fails WP:NFICTION, WP:GNG and WP:PLOT. BEFORE does not show any analysis, only in-universe style summaries. Prod declined with the assertion WP:ITSNOTABLE because its connected both to Conan and Cthulhu. Which IS pretty cool, but not sufficient given the lack of independent, in-depth sources, I am afraid. Can anyone find anything to rescue this? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  11:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  11:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep They are mentioned in Lovecraft's Monsters by Neil Gaiman p.370, Blood and Thunder: The Life and Art of Robert E. Howard on p.132, and A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America on p.121, which mentions them as the probable inspiration for the Reptilian conspiracy theory. There seem to be more as well, and this was one of the first appearances of humanoid reptiles in modern fantasy, possibly? A move might be merited to Serpent Men (Kull), as the title is somewhat vague.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 11:44, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect - Looking at the above, I'm not seeing anything of real significance. One of them is just a few paragraphs of plot summary without any further context from what I can tell. TTN (talk) 12:39, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Zxcvbnm above, who as identified commentary Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:21, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. There's a substantial amount of nontrivial commentary on both Howard's and Lovecraft's fiction, as well as the connections between them. The commentary isn't at all limited to fannish circles; for example, there's some striking and valuable influence-tracing in the academic press volume Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America. That the article may overemphasize comics usage is no reason to ignore substantive coverage. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.  Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong! (talk) 23:47, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Let this page stay. They are a known race in the tales of Conan and have also appeared in Marvel Comics. Plus, I am with, , and on this one. --Rtkat3 (talk) 20:51, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


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