Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Servers of City of Heroes and City of Villains


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 22:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Servers of City of Heroes and City of Villains

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This article is a detailed description of the behind-the-scenes server mechanisms for the online game City of Heroes. While the article has good writing style, it unfortunately has little to no verifiable published references backing it up, not only in the article itself but most likely not from any reliable publisher (it uses blogs and other Wikis as its sources). Therefore it is unlikely the article will ever satisfy the verifiability requirements of WP:ATT, and it is also unlikely that the article will ever meet the sourcing requirements of WP:N or its related proposed ammendment WP:INCLUSION. I'm not sure if the article fails WP:NOT or not, so I'll keep an open mind there. Either way, unless some independent reliable sources are produced for verifiability and notability purposes, I'd recommend deleting this article and replacing with a redirect to the main City of Heroes article. IMPORTANT NOTE: I was not able to add the afd tag to the article itself! It is currently protected. I would like to request that an admin please place the appropraite afd tag on the article itself. I will also mark the article's talk page with that request. Obviously the article should not be deleted until after that tag in placed, to give interested editors sufficient chance to reply. Dugwiki 22:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. I think technically the way this would work is, if necessary, this afd nomination should be relisted automatically by an admin on the same date that they add the appropriate afd tag to the article.  So if the tag is added on April 5th, then relist this afd under the April 5th nominations and copy and paste the nomination reason.  That way people will have the full five days to discuss from the time the article itself is tagged (plus a little extra time starting today). Dugwiki 22:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added the AFD tag to the page. I have no position on the AFD nomination itself; I am only making the edit because it seems procedurally necessary. Since there is only a short delay since the nomination, I don't believe changing the AFD date is needed. The closing admin should keep the circumstances in mind. CMummert · talk 23:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Wikipedia is WP:NOT an indiscriminant collection of information.  City of Heroes is indeed a notable game, but a catalog of its servers (along with a heapin' helpin' of related trivia) is more the realm of a fansite than an encyclopedia.  Fails WP:V, WP:RS, WP:ATT too. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  00:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Merge in the sense that there is some information that should be covered in the main article, such as the different American and European releases (and it should be documented, I would think, in the various magazines that cover it), I might also include the bets about the test servers, but the full details?  A bit much, at least for Wikipedia.  Maybe transwiki to paragonwiki which seems to have most, but not all of this article's content.  FrozenPurpleCube 05:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I could accept that, Manticore. It's possible that some small part of the article like what you described could be verified through reliable sources, but it seems doubtful such info would be enough to constitute a full article in and of itself.  Merging those bits to the main CoH article would make sense. Dugwiki 15:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the names of the servers and what datacenters they're in would at least be useful information to have, but I tend to agree. It's kind of fancrufty. --Robotech_Master 07:25, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Even assuming the datacenter list were verifiable from published sources, it would probably fit better in Wikisource as a data point for the City of Heroes article than as an actual article in its own right. Dugwiki 16:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I wouldn't recommend the list of servers, kinda pointless, but the special servers? The distinction between American and European servers?  Works for me in terms of acceptable content.  The bits about "unofficial PVP" or "unofficial RP" may be a bit much, especially unsourced though.  FrozenPurpleCube 19:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri (via) 06:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Starblind. City of Heroes is indeed notable, but the servers are not. -- Scottie_theNerd  08:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - This information does not appear to be attributable to any reliable sources. Wickethewok 15:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Starblind. Not notable, and not WP:ATT. --Dariusk 01:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge important information: If sources can be found for some information then I think it should be added to the City of Heroes and/or the City of Villains article however I think the real issue with this article is lack of sources and notability.  Orfen   User Talk | Contribs 00:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.